What Exactly Is The Trinity? Also, Is There A Satanic Trinity? (myth, church)

[Bideshi]

Originally Posted by TravisW

I'll go on record to say that there is no Satanic trinity in the sense of the Triune Godhead, as Satan is a different type of being from God. Christianity isn't like classic dualism in this sense.

Yes, Satan and his fallen are mere creations like you and me and armadillos. They differ really only in that they were created immortal and have great intellect (though perverted).

[mari4him]

The Holy Trinity is one of the simplest things... God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. The three in one. Each distinct, each with it's own role, yet neither acting independantly or apart from the other and all being one. Trinity - Tri = meaning three / inty = meaning in unity. So simple, yet so complicated to understand in our human finite minds, yet crucial to the Christian faith and very possible with God's infinite ways. As difficult as it is to understand, through the years I have learned it is even more difficult to explaiin.

Other ways to look at it (a couple having been shared here) that I have heard through the years are....

Water - Liquid, Vapor & Ice - All different forms, yet all being the same

Egg - Shell, Whites, Yoke - All different parts of one same thing (the egg).

Shamrock (3 leave clover) - 3 leaves (3 parts) of one same clover (all connected in the center.

Human being - Body, Spirit, Soul - Each different parts of the same being.

Married parent - Daughter/Son, Wife/Husband, Mother/Father - Each different roles, yet each being the same person.

Triangle - 3 sides, 3 angles, yet remains one shape.

Speaking of the triangle, that is probably one of the best visual illustrations that I ever saw to help grasp or understand the concept of the trinity. I seen it drawn out as a large circle (representing eternity, never ending), atop the circle a triangle (representing the trinity), at the top point/angle of the triangle is God the Father, at the right point/angle of the triangle is God the Son, and at the left point/angle is God the Holy Spirit. In the very center of the triangle a circle where God is wriitten. Arrows pointing from each point/angle to the center circle God saying "is", meaning God the Father "is" God, God the Son "is" God, and God the Holy Spirit "is" God. Along the lines of the triangle are the words "is not", meaning God the Father is not God the Son, God the Son is not God the Holy Spirit, God the Holy Spirit is not God the Father. Symbolizing... each is not the other, however each does not therefore represent 3 Gods as each are part of one trinity, each are one as each is God himself.

I know it sounds complicated so I did a google search to try to see if I could find this image that was shown to me long ago... I found one, though in this illustration the triangle appears upside down, whereas the one that was drawn out for me the triangle was rightside up with God the Father at the top. Anyway, here is a link to it, perhaps the visual will help other's understand a little more. I know it gave me a little more human understanding to the trinity, along with some of the analogies shared above as well.

http://www.gotquestions.org/images/trinity.jpg

[mari4him]

Also.....

As for there possibly being a trinity to satan, this is pure speculation on my part but I would say that just as there is evil being the opposite good, there would be an unholy trinity as the opposite of the holy trinity as satan tries to imitate/mimic and be like God.

Therefore, to me it would be - Satan (copying/mimicing God the Father) - The Anti-Christ (copying/mimicing God the Son) and the False Prophet (copying/mimicing God the Holy Spirit).

As God and Jesus are one in the same... so satan tries to imitate with satan and the anti-christ being one in the same.

As Jesus sought and would desire to do the will of God, so does the anti-christ then seeks and desires to do the will of satan.

As the Holy Spirit compels men to God, so does the false prophet then seek to compel men to satan.

[TravisW]

Re: Unholy Trinity

God is the only one to whom we know the concept of "trinity" exists in which there are three distinct persons which are yet one distinct person. To ascribe some "Unholy Trinity" attribute to Satan, Antichrist, False Prophet, or whomever...seems to confuse the point of the uniqueness of God .

The "Unholy Trinity", as described, wouldn't truly be a "Trinity" per se (in the sense of the Holy Trinity), but a situation in which Satan was the boss while the antichrist and false prophet were lackeys.

[mari4him]

Originally Posted by TravisW

Re: Unholy Trinity

God is the only one to whom we know the concept of "trinity" exists in which there are three distinct persons which are yet one distinct person. To ascribe some "Unholy Trinity" attribute to Satan, Antichrist, False Prophet, or whomever...seems to confuse the point of the uniqueness of God .

The "Unholy Trinity", as described, wouldn't truly be a "Trinity" per se (in the sense of the Holy Trinity), but a situation in which Satan was the boss while the antichrist and false prophet were lackeys.

I agree and personally in my own belief do not and will not ever believe in satan having a trinity. Precisely why I stated purely speculation and simply gave it as a response to the question and giving an example of how satan may TRY to mimic what is holy and is of God in his futile attempts to be as God.

I personally do not believe in an unholy trinity. I soley believe in one trinity and that is the holy trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, the three in one.

Just wanted to make sure that was clear.

[TravisW]

Originally Posted by mari4him

I agree and personally in my own belief do not and will not ever believe in satan having a trinity. Precisely why I stated purely speculation and simply gave it as a response to the question and giving an example of how satan may TRY to mimic what is holy and is of God in his futile attempts to be as God.

I personally do not believe in an unholy trinity. I soley believe in one trinity and that is the holy trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, the three in one.

Just wanted to make sure that was clear.

Thanks for the clarification.

[JULEI]

the trinity is a doctrine
it is not supported by the writings in the Bible
No one can explain the trinity because they themselves cannot explain the foolishness of it

[Nikk]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

One Christian concept I've always found confusing is the trinity, which is apparently God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit (aka The Holy Ghost). Can someone explain the relationship between them and what roles they perform? Jesus is clearly viewed as the son of God so that would mean that until about 2,000 years ago Jesus didn't exist so there couldn't have been a trinity prior to his birth. I noticed that someone posted that it was the Holy Spirit that actually caused Mary to become pregnant. I always thought that it was supposed to be God, what do believers think about that? Also, did God create the Holy Spirit and what exactly is The Holy Spirit anyway? The activities of God and Jesus are talked about in great detail in the Bible but what does the Holy Spirit do? It just seems to be something vague that is never explained.
My other question is about satan. Maybe it's just the stuff of movies but I've often heard of satan as being a part of a trinity. I guess that would be satan, the antichrist and some opposing force to The Holy Spirit. You all know I'm not a believer but I'm curious about how Christians understand the trinity and if it has an opposite that could be called a satanic trinity. What do you think?

God has three centers of concience: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost.

Jesus existed before he was put into Mary to be born into the world of Man. If you read the bible he went and talked with Abraham before the angels went and distroyed Sodem and Gommorah.

The bible is clear that God the Father over-shadowed Mary and Jesus was born of Mary through the Holy Spirit. So in the Virgin Birth the trinity is present. The same is with Jesus' baptism. The dove descended (Holy Spirit) and a voice was heard (God the Father).

The bible begins with a reference to the multi-part being of God. It is written, In the beginning God (Elohim - God plural) created (Bara- singular) the heavens and the earth. So the three parts of God can work in unity.

Futher God says: "Let us make man in our own image". God was talking to God on the creation of man, and he said in "our image", a singular image.

There is probably a trinity of the Satanic, but only because Satan's desire is to be God. He is just an angel and so, all he has left to do is mimic God. But he has only what limited powers God and man have given him. He is not some oposite opposing force to God. There is nothing great like God.

[Reverend1111]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

One Christian concept I've always found confusing is the trinity, which is apparently God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit (aka The Holy Ghost). Can someone explain the relationship between them and what roles they perform?

The trinity is something that was made up by the early church's and pagans to "introduce" the idea that Jesus was God.

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

Jesus is clearly viewed as the son of God so that would mean that until about 2,000 years ago Jesus didn't exist so there couldn't have been a trinity prior to his birth. I noticed that someone posted that it was the Holy Spirit that actually caused Mary to become pregnant. I always thought that it was supposed to be God, what do believers think about that?

Mary got pregnant by Joseph. They "knew" each other prior to the conception. The reason Mary was supposed to be a virgin (she was when her and Joseph were married) is so that Jesus could be born of a pure woman so that Jesus could qualify for Divinity.

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

Also, did God create the Holy Spirit and what exactly is The Holy Spirit anyway? The activities of God and Jesus are talked about in great detail in the Bible but what does the Holy Spirit do? It just seems to be something vague that is never explained.

The Holy Spirit is the Instrument that God uses to convey His Love to mortals. When the Holy Spirit conveys this Love and it is in the soul, it can cleanse a person from all sin and error and the inclination to sin. It cannot belong to anyone as it is from God and He uses it for all creation. No man can have God's Love without the Holy Spirit to guide it.
When people say they have the holy spirit in them, they are referring to their God Fragment in which everyone has.

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

My other question is about satan. Maybe it's just the stuff of movies but I've often heard of satan as being a part of a trinity. I guess that would be satan, the antichrist and some opposing force to The Holy Spirit. You all know I'm not a believer but I'm curious about how Christians understand the trinity and if it has an opposite that could be called a satanic trinity. What do you think?

I've never heard of a satanic trinity and I don't believe in satan as a person. I do, however, believe that each of us can become dark souls on our own if we are not properly guided. We are all pretty much in darkness compared to God because we fell away from His love. Getting it back is the journey.

[nick.leviman]

Originally Posted by Haaziq

LeVeyan Satanism is an atheistic religion. To them, "Satan" represents a person who is normal and has done things that are wrong just like everybody else. Essentially someone who acknowledges the fact that they aren't perfect and don't try to act like it.

I hear this a lot of times especially from Christians. This doesn't have sense! Atheist ultimately do not believe in anything including God, Devil, Jesus, Lucifer etc. Atheism is not a religion. It is absence of religion, dogma, superstitions etc. In fact Satanists are Christian sect! Yes, they believe in God, Jesus etc. Atheists have nothing to do with Satanism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism or anything else.