respect my views ? (Baptist, pastor, Jesus, gay)

[ainulinale]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

You won't be "forcing" your church to marry gay couples. Your church will make that decision. I think it is only a matter of time before gay marriage is legal in the US. It already is here in Canada, and churches here are doing the ceremonies.

If you are seeking a religious marriage, all Metropolitan Community Churches and Unitarian Fellowships will marry same-sex couples. Most United Churches will marry same-sex couples or recommend a church that will. Our faiths section of this web site outlines religious groups who support equal marriage.

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In Canada, you get arrested if you say homosexuality is wrong. I believe judges in Colorado have been considering forcing churches to hire homosexuals because they feel it is discrimination.

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by ainulinale

In Canada, you get arrested if you say homosexuality is wrong. I believe judges in Colorado have been considering forcing churches to hire homosexuals because they feel it is discrimination.

Who the heck told you that? In most cases freedom of speech is alive and well in Canada too. The only exception is hate speech with the purpose of inflicting harm on others.

[ainulinale]

Originally Posted by coosjoaquin

I think thats overly simplistic and what the hell do you mean by uncontrolled sexual attraction? how does it differ from heterosexual attraction?

Just what you meant by not being able to control who I'm attracted to.

Originally Posted by coosjoaquin

which is why you are going to have to find a good reason as to why homosexuality is bad outside the confines of religious belief.

Here we go again with that dirty term "religious belief." I forgot only your presuppositions are justified, people with religious belief can't have an opinion that affects anyone.

Originally Posted by coosjoaquin

But thats just as it relates to the christian god. How do you think a person who is not christian(say an atheist like me) probably feels towards the matter?

I'm sorry if it bothers you, but I believe ethics have their basis in God...if you violate them, it's not that relevant how you feel about the matter.

[quote=coosjoaquin;359312
I'm pretty sure that won't happen. The whole homosexuals rights fight has simply been to get the same rights that married couples do. The thinking that gays are trying to force churches to marry them mostly comes from the misconception that marriage through church is the only valid union or has any religion unrelated power.[/quote]

It's already happened. In Canada, you cannot say anything about the act of homosexuality being bad.
Um...no....there are many gays who want to get married in the church...some do it against the church.

[ainulinale]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Who the heck told you that? In most cases freedom of speech is alive and well in Canada too. The only exception is hate speech with the purpose of inflicting harm on others.

It's a fact...saying anything against homosexuality is considered hate speech and pastors have been arrested on the pulpit because of it.

[Cirbryn]

Originally Posted by ainulinale

You must not get out much. BTW, there has got to be choice in the matter of homosexuality otherwise 100% of identical twins would be gay when one of them is. Studies suggest 20-30% I believe.

It's almost certainly a combination of environmental and genetic factors. That doesn't make it a choice.

And by the way, it turns out identical twins aren't identical genetically after all.
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[coosjoaquin]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Who the heck told you that? In most cases freedom of speech is alive and well in Canada too. The only exception is hate speech with the purpose of inflicting harm on others.

Yeah, the few cases ive seen where a person has been arrested for anti-gay views was when they did pretty extreme things like use the radio or preach to the church messages that are just short on asking the congregation to shoot the next gay person they see.

[ainulinale]

Originally Posted by coosjoaquin

Yeah, the few cases ive seen where a person has been arrested for anti-gay views was when they did pretty extreme things like use the radio or preach to the church messages that are just short on asking the congregation to shoot the next gay person they see.

I didn't realize you're omniscient...but hey I guess no one is ever wrong.

[Cirbryn]

Originally Posted by ainulinale

It's a fact...saying anything against homosexuality is considered hate speech and pastors have been arrested on the pulpit because of it.

So if it's a fact then you should be able to give us an example of a paster being arrested in the pulpit, and show us what he said exactly. Hmm?

[ainulinale]

Originally Posted by Cirbryn

It's almost certainly a combination of environmental and genetic factors. That doesn't make it a choice.

And by the way, it turns out identical twins aren't identical genetically after all.
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We're well past this part of the debate. I already admitted this doesn't prove that homosexuality is purely a choice. But choice or no choice, having "natural" sexual attraction to the same sex doesn't necessarily justify having such sex--otherwise pedophilia could be justified in certain cases.

[ainulinale]

Originally Posted by Cirbryn

So if it's a fact then you should be able to give us an example of a paster being arrested in the pulpit, and show us what he said exactly. Hmm?

Why don't you go look it up yourself, then post links to all the knowledge you have. I have personally talked with such pastors, and if you still haven't found anything by morning...I'll look some stuff up for you if I even care to humor your insincere desire to understand my concerns.