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[Nikk]

Originally Posted by cncracer

I don’t think I have seen so much hate in any post as I see in yours. I think you need help. If your god exists, I feel sure he would be frowning down on you tonight. This issue with gays is simple. They should have the same rights as you and I. I think the uproar is more a money issue in the first place. The strong insurance lobby fears the addition of gay spouses will put extra burden on their profits. Most things are based on money in this country. The day is close when our genetic tree will show homosexuality is not a choice or a sin but just basic genetics, which will reflect back on people with your values as just the plain garden variety bigots.

There is no hate in my post. I do not hate anyone. In fact I have friends that are gay.

God cannot frown down on me because I am quoting his word.

There is nothing to do with genetic and homosexuality. That is not a good enough excuss to negate a persons behavior.

[Nikk]

Originally Posted by NC~Mom

I doubt that is true for most gay couples...they would like the same rights as hetero couples regarding financial decisions...etc.

Wow...comparing a gay relationship with having sex with dead people or animals? Just...wow.

I'm proud to be an Atheist with morals...and I don't discriminate against people because of their color, race, or sexual preference.

I am not descriminating a person based on their sexual preference. God is. Since he is creator everything belongs to him and he reserves the right to make the rules.

I am not relating homosexual sex with sex with the dead, God is. They are both wrong. This is directly from the bible.

Where do you get your morals from? Who says your set of morals are right? Morals are not based on majority rule.

[Nikk]

Originally Posted by easternerDC

Maybe that is the point of marriage in YOUR church, but marriage is not a religious institution.

I have a marriage certificate. I was married before my family and friends. My wedding ceremony did not include mention of god or religion or any blessings (aside from blessings from my family and friend who were in attendance). I don't think that my marriage is invalid or any less valid than a wedding ceremony performed in a church. If marriage was a religious institution the GOVERNMENT would not have signed and given me a marriage certificate.

If someone feels that getting married in the church solidifies their relationship with god, so be it. That is what makes the wedding ceremony special to them. BUT it is NOT OK for you to take your religious beliefs and ceremonies and dictate that that is how it should be for everyone.

The state reserves the right to give a paper to verify a marriage in it's territory for the purpose of state related business. It is God who instituted marriage. It is God who performed the first marriage in Genesis. It is God who gave the type formation to marriage. It is God who was the first father who gave his daughter away.

You may have not mentioned God in your marriage, but marriage is a God institution and all marriages point to the first marriage metioned in Genesis.

[coosjoaquin]

Originally Posted by Nikk

You may have not mentioned God in your marriage, but marriage is a God institution and all marriages point to the first marriage metioned in Genesis.

Nope. You can talk all you want about marriage being a christian thing but a coupled married by a priest still need to form a civil contract with the goverment. In an act of wisdom, the goverment no longer recognises your god(or anyone else's for that matter) as the highest authority.

If you don't want gay people married in a church then thats fine but to deny them the same legal rights as married couples is just an act of evil almost always perpretrated by men who use religion to back up their prejudices. I can almost hear God turning around in her grave.

[NC~Mom]

Originally Posted by Nikk

There is no hate in my post. I do not hate anyone. In fact I have friends that are gay.

God cannot frown down on me because I am quoting his word.

There is nothing to do with genetic and homosexuality. That is not a good enough excuss to negate a persons behavior.

I hear that term used alot when predjudice arises...as in "I even have some black friends..." I wouldn't call someone a friend who believes I'm going to "hell."

[Racket]

Originally Posted by ahteist2

Now, if they say "respect" out beliefs, let us believe what we want, do not try to change us, and all that stuff. Then why cant the afford the curtiousy and keep their morals and values out of our faces and off our law books ?

Totally agree. I agree with the whole post but especially the law bit. Why should religion have any say on the law...after all...it may be a big made up story; which i, and many others believe it is.
Why should there be laws that disrupt an athiest's life, when its only the religious that believe it should be and they would follow it anyway. eg, opening times for shops on sunday, betting offices on religious days etc. If your religious and belive in 'day of rest' then you go ahead and rest and let the rest of us carry on with our lives.

[cncracer]

Originally Posted by Nikk

I am not descriminating a person based on their sexual preference. God is. Since he is creator everything belongs to him and he reserves the right to make the rules.

I am not relating homosexual sex with sex with the dead, God is. They are both wrong. This is directly from the bible.

Where do you get your morals from? Who says your set of morals are right? Morals are not based on majority rule.

The way I read you post is that you can be a narrowed minded bigot to people and blame it on your god, or slander a group by saying they are having sex with the dead, and children but condone that slander because it was from your bible. I guess there is no other finish than by questioning a group of people’s morals who you don’t know. Do you at least take credit for that, or was that something the Easter rabbit did?

[cncracer]

Originally Posted by Nikk

I am not descriminating a person based on their sexual preference. God is. Since he is creator everything belongs to him and he reserves the right to make the rules.

I am not relating homosexual sex with sex with the dead, God is. They are both wrong. This is directly from the bible.

Where do you get your morals from? Who says your set of morals are right? Morals are not based on majority rule.

The way I read you post is that you can be a narrowed minded bigot to people and blame it on your god, or slander a group by saying they are having sex with the dead, and children but condone that slander because it was from your bible. I guess there is no other finish than by questioning a group of people’s morals who you don’t know. Do you at least take credit for that, or was that something the Easter rabbit did?

[NC~Mom]

Originally Posted by Nikk

I am not descriminating a person based on their sexual preference. God is. Since he is creator everything belongs to him and he reserves the right to make the rules.

I am not relating homosexual sex with sex with the dead, God is. They are both wrong. This is directly from the bible.

Where do you get your morals from? Who says your set of morals are right? Morals are not based on majority rule.

I base my morals on how I like to be treated...and I treat others accordingly. I don't judge others by their color or sexual preference...but by the content of their character. (Thank you Dr. MLK. )
If God is such a bigot...and you say he is....then I say..."Shame on God."

[Marodi]

Originally Posted by NC~Mom

I base my morals on how I like to be treated...and I treat others accordingly. I don't judge others by their color or sexual preference...but by the content of their character. (Thank you Dr. MLK. )
If God is such a bigot...and you say he is....then I say..."Shame on God."

+1

Exactly. Props. Kudos. Standing Ovation.