Christians: do you believe homosexuality is an abomination? (doctrine, scriptures, evidence)

[.....think]

Originally Posted by DayoftheLord

Let me see if I can address this without saying the things you have requested not to be said. The human race has inherent moral fiber, right? It's there, in all of us. Even as little children we know when we've done wrong, even when no one is there to point it out. No matter what we believe or don't believe, we can all agree that the moral code is deeply ingrained. As we grow up, we then begin to be told or have to be reminded what's right and wrong because the moral code begins to do battle with peer pressure, outside influences, television, advertising, crime, greed, war, lust and any other thing we have been told is wrong.

So, the question is....where does that moral code come from? Why is there a battle going on between that code and worldly things? Why do you suppose that moral code is there to begin with? Why have it, when it's just easier to do whatever you want and live however you want? I mean, child molesting wouldn't be wrong, murder would be fine, blackmail, stealing, bullying (as you mentioned) is standard growing up procedure without consequences, straight pornography, gay pornography and child pornography is on every channel on tv, as well as whatever most average people with a strong moral code find morally reprehensible.

How did I do? And I ask again, where in the WORLD does that pesky moral code come from? I say that it's not even of this world.

Reps, please.

Gave you rep for seeming like having an open mind and answering part of my question

I respect this. However the moral code has came from every where. you must believe what you think is truly moral, don't use gut emotions use your brain and compassion. Virtue in the dark ages is what kept humanity at ease. (just as an example of one not based on god)

The reason worldly matters and moral codes contradicts is well a really tough . When you run a country you must put all morals aside and think what is best for our country.

Moral matters is a matter that needs to be taken into our daily role. Personal believes not country wide. Now my views on this is extremely mixed.(morals with running a country)

[Ilene Wright]

Originally Posted by .....think

I respect this. However i thing a moral code has come from every where. you must think what you believe is truly moral, don't use gut emotions use your brain and compassion. Virtue in the dark ages is what kept humanity at ease when the church was screwed up, three popes excommunicated each other. Lets keep virtue as the roman greeks did, excepting what they truly love no mater who as right. Its love and thats something no one but yourself can control.

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here.

[Simple Living]

Originally Posted by .....think

Your proving my point. You people cant name one reason why homosexuality is bad other than the bible says so. That bloody book needs to be burned no offence but its has done way to much to this world. If Jesus was real he screwed up. Big time, do you think he made this world to hate a some because there different.

Atheist arn't against homosexuality. we are tolerant of almost everyone (not fanatics)

Your proving my point that christians are close minded. You said your self you will only listen to the bible. somthing that is man made and you dont know is real.

If your saying that no matter what i say or what happens you want think other wise please just leave.

I'm glad that atheist pop is growing with Buddhist and hinduism, while Christians are going down.

Religion has brought intolerance as you have clearly shown for no good reason

Now you're just being ignorant and adding words and thoughts to what I said. Did you even TRY to understand what I said or did you just skim over my posts with your own thoughts and opinions already pre-formed so that you would respond the same way to whatever I said?

[Simple Living]

Originally Posted by .....think

LOL SO YOU ADMIT THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH HOMOSEXUALITY OTHER THAN THE BIBLE SAYS. THAN WHY ARE YOU FORCING YOUR WAYS ON OTHERS.

this is pissing me off as you can see
caps are for yelling hehe'

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT. FORCING YOUR WAYS ON OTHERS IS NOT WHAT JESUS WANTS IS IT!

You should look down at yourself its not the homosexuals who are just committing an act of love its you who is committing an act of hate.

who is the one committing the sin here

I said nothing of the kind. And I'm not FORCING my ways on anyone. YOU ASKED CHRISTIANS A QUESTION AND GOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR - OUR ANSWERS.

You truly have no idea what you're doing.

[Simple Living]

Originally Posted by DayoftheLord

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here.

It's okay. Neither does he.

[.....think]

Originally Posted by Simple Living

I said nothing of the kind. And I'm not FORCING my ways on anyone. YOU ASKED CHRISTIANS A QUESTION AND GOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR - OUR ANSWERS.

You truly have no idea what you're doing.

Day sorry like 30 grammar errors going to edit.


Simple didn't quite explain it seems i have to explain this to someone as you.

Christians are trying to stop gay marriage, i just assumed people who said something as bold as gays are an abomination would be against that. (Probley shouldn't have done that) However, THAT IS A PRETTY BOLD STATEMENT. You not being able to give a reason other from the bible why being gay is wrong. Shows me how deep ignorance and blind fare goes into some of the average Christians.

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by Simple Living

Did you even TRY to understand what I said or did you just skim over my posts with your own thoughts and opinions already pre-formed so that you would respond the same way to whatever I said?

I find it ironic that a religious person is asking for empathy for being a bigot.
The fact that you justify your bigotry with the Bible is not an excuse for being a bigot. Just because you believe that there is nothing wrong with being anti-gay because you believe that your god is against homosexuals does this mean that other people should be okay with it.
And accusing others of being ignorant because they don’t share YOUR opinion is a case of being ignorant yourself.

Against my better judgement I’ll still try to explain it anywayz: although a Christian might see nothing wrong with men raping women, because they believe it is only natural behaviour for man and woman to have sex, many people object to this behaviour because rape is not voluntary. The woman did not give her consent to the man.
Homosexuals are 2 consenting adult males who have sex. Maybe other people might find this disgusting, but I guess that there are gays who find it equally disgusting to have sex with a woman (otherwise they would be bisexual instead of homosexual).
Whatever the Bible says about homosexuality is basically irrelevant.
Especially when the homosexuals are atheists.

[Simple Living]

Originally Posted by .....think

Day sorry like 30 grammar errors going to edit.


Simple didn't quite explain it seems i have to explain this to someone as you.

Christians are trying to stop gay marriage, i just assumed people who said something as bold as gays are an abomination would be against that. (Probley shouldn't have done that) However, THAT IS A PRETTY BOLD STATEMENT. You not being able to give a reason other from the bible why being gay is wrong. Shows me how deep ignorance and blind fare goes into some of the average Christians.

You aren't answering my question. What did you expect when you asked Christians why homosexuality is an abomination? Since God and the Bible are central to a Christians life, not just their belief system, how else did you expect a Christian to answer? Any other answer you were hoping for would have been better asked to someone else. And, to respond to a comment you made earlier, I know several atheists and they're against homosexuality and "gay" marriage.

Their reasons are because of the "gay" agenda to teach homosexuality to kindergarten children who are impressionable, trusting little people. They believe it threatens the traditional definition of family. They believe that homosexuals have a worse history than straight couples of not taking relationships seriously and sleep around more often. They say they haven't proven themselves to be stable in the area of relationships to have earned the right to receive benefits. They believe that the whole "civil union" idea will be abused and the system scammed for millions of dollars like every other new idea that comes along gets scammed because of incredible loopholes. They just flat out don't like the idea.

And, yes, these are three atheists opinions. So, did you get the answers you wanted now? I could frankly care less about any of those reasons. For me, it's enough to know that the God who has proven Himself to me time after time after time hates homosexuality enough to call it an abomination. I need no other reason.

[Simple Living]

Originally Posted by Tricky D

Originally Posted by Simple Living I find it ironic that a religious person is asking for empathy for being a bigot.
The fact that you justify your bigotry with the Bible is not an excuse for being a bigot. Just because you believe that there is nothing wrong with being anti-gay because you believe that your god is against homosexuals does this mean that other people should be okay with it.
And accusing others of being ignorant because they don’t share YOUR opinion is a case of being ignorant yourself.

I didn't ask for any empathy. I asked if this person even knew what he was asking to begin with.

As for being a bigot, I have friends that will tell you otherwise. There are people in my life who are homosexuals and we get along just fine. We respect each other's views because we don't force them on each other. We agree to disagree but there is no resentment or hatred there.

So, is a homosexual a bigot for bashing Christianity? Aren't you a bigot towards Christians? If you say no, you're a hypocrite.

Against my better judgement I’ll still try to explain it anywayz: although a Christian might see nothing wrong with men raping women, because they believe it is only natural behaviour for man and woman to have sex, many people object to this behaviour because rape is not voluntary. The woman did not give her consent to the man.

Now you're clearly ridiculous and purposely insulting. What Christian has said they see nothing wrong with rape? You are heaping atrocities on Christians just because you think it adds to your point. They're not even true. So much for your credibility. You blatantly lie.

Whatever the Bible says about homosexuality is basically irrelevant.
Especially when the homosexuals are atheists.

No, you mean it's irrelevant to you. Big surprise.

[Ilene Wright]

Originally Posted by Simple Living

You aren't answering my question. What did you expect when you asked Christians why homosexuality is an abomination? Since God and the Bible are central to a Christians life, not just their belief system, how else did you expect a Christian to answer? Any other answer you were hoping for would have been better asked to someone else. And, to respond to a comment you made earlier, I know several atheists and they're against homosexuality and "gay" marriage.

Their reasons are because of the "gay" agenda to teach homosexuality to kindergarten children who are impressionable, trusting little people. They believe it threatens the traditional definition of family. They believe that homosexuals have a worse history than straight couples of not taking relationships seriously and sleep around more often. They say they haven't proven themselves to be stable in the area of relationships to have earned the right to receive benefits. They believe that the whole "civil union" idea will be abused and the system scammed for millions of dollars like every other new idea that comes along gets scammed because of incredible loopholes. They just flat out don't like the idea.

And, yes, these are three atheists opinions. So, did you get the answers you wanted now? I could frankly care less about any of those reasons. For me, it's enough to know that the God who has proven Himself to me time after time after time hates homosexuality enough to call it an abomination. I need no other reason.

You can't say it any better than this, Simp. You've answered all the same old questions over and over again and this is as good as it gets. I've obliged against my better judgement to put a different spin on it so as not to mention my God and his Holy Word. Never again. It's time to call it a night.