Fascination with the end times (Mormons, Muslim, protestants, worship)

[Lindsey_Mcfarren]

Originally Posted by DayoftheLord

Was that a not so subtle way of saying that Christians are mentally ill? My little green friend here says otherwise.

No, that was me saying that some people who are insane, grasp onto the ideals of religion and become obsessed with them.

[cncracer]

Originally Posted by Lindsey_Mcfarren

No, that was me saying that some people who are insane, grasp onto the ideals of religion and become obsessed with them.

There is a lot of research on the issue of mental illness related to religion, here is a copy or one from the internet. No copyright so OK I think.
I am not sure I agree with it all, but if the shoe fits >>>>>

RELIGION IS MENTAL ILLNESS
GOD IS A PSYCHOPATH


Is religion a force for good or evil?

Warning: The following article contains disturbing and graphic language regarding the volatile and often violent nature of religious beliefs. It is meant to illustrate how religion has been used to spread hatred and intolerance of worldwide, in a variety of faiths. This short article is meant for educational purposes only, in the hope that humanity will learn from its past and not repeat it. Please note that it is almost entirely composed of quotes from other publications.
Many people believe that religion is a force for good that has brought God into their lives. But, does the record of religious belief reveal it as a force for good or evil?
Christianity--The Roots of Anti-Semitism

"With the wrath of an Old Testament prophet, historian Dagobert Runes (whose mother was killed by the Nazis) blamed the Christian church for the Holocaust. He wrote:
"'Everything Hitler did to the Jews, all the horribly unspeakable misdeeds, had already been done to the smitten people before by the Christian churches.... The isolation of Jews into ghetto camps, the wearing of the yellow spot, the burning of Jewish books, and finally the burning of the people--Hitler learned it all from the church. However, the church burned Jewish women and children alive, while Hitler granted them a quicker death, choking them first with gas.'
"Dr Runes said Christian priests and ministers still were inculcating hostility to Jews as the Third Reich arrived.
"'The clergymen don't tell you whom to kill; they just tell you whom to hate,' he wrote. 'The Christian clergymen start teaching their young at the tenderest age that THE Jews killed the beloved, gentle Son of God; that God Himself, the Father, punished THE Jews by dispension and the burning of their holy city; that God holds THE Jews accursed forever....'
"'For all the 2,000 years, there was no act of war against the Jews in which the church didn't play an intrinsic part. And whenever there was a trace of mercy, charity, or tolerance to be found amid the savagery, it came not from the church but from humanitarians in the civil world, as in Napoleonic France or during the American Revolution....'
"'Some fancy that these brutal outrages...occurred only in the Dark Ages, as if this were an excuse. Nay, when George Washington was president, Jewish people were burning on the spit in Mexico.... Wherever there are Christian churches there is anti-Semitism.'"
Source:Holy Horrors by James Haught.

Judaism--4,000 Years of Massacring Neighbors

"The massacre at Dueima in 1948 was perpetrated by the official Labor Zionist Israeli army, the Israel Defense Forces (Tzeva Haganah le-Israel or ZA-HAL). The account of the massacre, as described by a soldier who participated in the horror, was published in Davar, the official Hebrew daily newspaper of the Labor-Zionist-run Histadrut General Federation of workers:
"'They killed between eighty to one hundred Arab men, women and children. To kill the children they [soldiers] fractured their heads with sticks. There was not one home without corpses. The men and women of the villages were pushed into houses without food or water. Then the saboteurs came to dynamite them.
"'One commander ordered a soldier to bring two women into a building he was about to blow up.... Another soldier prided himself upon having raped an Arab woman before shooting her to death. Another Arab woman with her newborn baby was made to clean the place for a couple of days, and then they shot her and the baby. Educated and well-mannered commanders who were considered "good guys"...became base murderers, and this is not in the storm of battle, but as a method of expulsion and extermination. The fewer the Arabs who remain, the better.'"
Source:The Hidden History of Zionism by Ralph Schoenman.

Slavery by the "Good People"

"In another area of human rights, many Christian clergymen advocated slavery. Historians Larry Hise notes in his book, Proslavery, that ministers 'wrote almost half of all defenses of slavery published in America.' He listed 275 men of the cloth who use the Bible to prove that white people were entitled to own black people as work animals."
Source:Holy Horrors

God is a Psycho

"In December 1984, on Mohammed's birthday, Khomeini told his people:
"'War is a blessing for the world and for all nations. It is God who incites men to fight and to kill.The Koran says, "Fight until all corruption and all rebellion have ceased." The wars the Prophet led against the infidels were a blessing for all humanity. Imagine that we soon will win the war. That will not be enough, for corruption and resistance to Islam will still exist. The Koran says, "War, war until victory!..." The mullahs with corrupt hearts who say that all this is contrary to the teachings of the Koran are unworthy of Islam. Thanks to God, our young people are now, to the limits of their means, putting God's commandments into action. They know that to kill the unbelievers is one of man's greatest missions.'
"Amid all the killing, Iran also declared war on sexuality. Women were commanded to shroud themselves so completely that no lock of hair showed. Morality patrols in white jeeps cruised streets, arresting women for being 'badly veiled' and sending them to prison camps for three-month rehabilitation courses. Western magazines entering Iran went first to censors who laboriously blacked out every woman's picture except for her eyes."
Source:Holy Horrors

Religion is Mental Illness

"Philosopher Bertrand Russell wrote:
"'Religion is based...mainly upon fear...fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand.... My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race.'"
Source:Holy Horrors

NEED WE SAY MORE? RELIGION EQUALS RACISM, SEXISM, SPECIESISM, SELF-HATRED, EXPLOITATION, SLAVERY, WAR. WE THE PEOPLE OF THE EARTH ARE ONE. NO RACES, NO RELIGIONS, NO DUALITY, NO WAR.
ALL BELIEFS COMPRISE DOUBTS. KNOW THE TRUTH. STOP THE KILLING!! GO BEYOND BELIEF INTO THE KNOWN! BECOME RELIGIOUSNESS. MEDITATE.

[cncracer]

Originally Posted by DayoftheLord

Was that a not so subtle way of saying that Christians are mentally ill? My little green friend here says otherwise.

You sparked a search this morning. The list of studies on mental illness and religion are non ending, and too numerous to attach. I did find a quote which I think is appropriate.

Religion is a mental illness and an excuse to escape all personal responsibility in life and blame it on the Jewish. The most feared religion in the world is atheism. To be considered atheist, you must actually be capable of and be willing to use rational thought.
Geoffrey Chaucer on religion

[arguy1973]

Originally Posted by cncracer

You sparked a search this morning. The list of studies on mental illness and religion are non ending, and too numerous to attach. I did find a quote which I think is appropriate.

Religion is a mental illness and an excuse to escape all personal responsibility in life and blame it on the Jewish. The most feared religion in the world is atheism. To be considered atheist, you must actually be capable of and be willing to use rational thought.
Geoffrey Chaucer on religion

I agree religion is bad, Jesus didnt even like the religious crowd too much, in fact the religious people are the ones that cried "crucify him" "crucify him". Religion is not the God I know. Jesus never spoke against anyone except the religious leaders of that day (and their religion) who were misleading the people!

[Ilene Wright]

Originally Posted by cncracer

You sparked a search this morning. The list of studies on mental illness and religion are non ending, and too numerous to attach. I did find a quote which I think is appropriate.

Religion is a mental illness and an excuse to escape all personal responsibility in life and blame it on the Jewish. The most feared religion in the world is atheism. To be considered atheist, you must actually be capable of and be willing to use rational thought.
Geoffrey Chaucer on religion

So any person who believes in God, even if they are not associated with any particular religion, is mentally ill? I could just as easily say that about anyone who doesn't believe in God. Doesn't make it true. I have tremendous respect for the Jews...they are God's chosen people. I support the migration of Jews back to Israel that is taking place as we speak. Why? Because this is part of Biblical prophecy that brings us closer to God's promises in the Bible. If you switch around words in the above quote from Chaucer, you have exactly what I think, which is just as valid as what he said.

Atheism is a mental illness and an excuse to escape all personal responsibility in life and blame it on the Jewish. The most feared religion in the world is Christianity. To be considered a Christian, you must actually be capable of and be willing to use rational thought. DOTL

[cncracer]

Originally Posted by DayoftheLord

So any person who believes in God, even if they are not associated with any particular religion, is mentally ill? I could just as easily say that about anyone who doesn't believe in God. Doesn't make it true. I have tremendous respect for the Jews...they are God's chosen people. I support the migration of Jews back to Israel that is taking place as we speak. Why? Because this is part of Biblical prophecy that brings us closer to God's promises in the Bible. If you switch around words in the above quote from Chaucer, you have exactly what I think, which is just as valid as what he said.

Atheism is a mental illness and an excuse to escape all personal responsibility in life and blame it on the Jewish. The most feared religion in the world is Christianity. To be considered a Christian, you must actually be capable of and be willing to use rational thought. DOTL

As a person coming from a Jewish background, I have to say I have heard that before, but feel the Christian faith talks out of both sides of it mouth. Gods chosen, yet you have spent 2000 years trying to kill off those chosen. Next you will tell me some of your best friends are Jewish. I don’t buy it, or that bridge you have in New York for sale. The statement is truly hypocritical.

As for the mental illness quote, it is just that, and the statement was to give you information to go see the studies on religion and mental illness, not to swing into a tirade about mental stability of the religious.

[Ilene Wright]

Originally Posted by K-Luv

Jews believe in the Old Testament only.

Christians believe in the Old Testament, New Testament, and that Jesus was the one and only true prophet.

Muslims believe in the Old Testament, New Testament, that Jesus was a Prophet, and that Mohammed, who was a disciple of Jesus, sat in a cave for 20 years and that God spoke to him in which he translated that conversation into the Koran.

So, basically, Muslims believe in same God, the same Creation story, The Virgin Mary and the Immaculate Conception, the same Jesus---all of that jazz. They just happen to throw in another Prophet into the mix--a Prophet who just happened to be the one to bring the message of the Bible to them (which is why they hold Mohammed slightly higher than Jesus) which is the only reason why Christians have a problem with them.

Christians believe in the entire Bible and that Jesus is the Son of God and the Savior of mankind, not just a prophet.

No...you need to study up a little more. There are plenty of Messianic Jews who believe in the Messiah. What you said about Muslims is wrong. I got my information straight from a Muslims mouth right here in the forum. He said Mohammed was illiterate, and that his inspiration came from a spirit. No mention of any god inspiring him to do anything.

The Koran does mention a god, but it is definitely not THE GOD. Not God the Father, God the Son or God the Holy Spirit. There are no similarities whatsoever between the Bible and the Koran except the similar names, which obviously "Mohammed" plagiarized from the Bible. He was just some hack who rewrote the Bible and who the Muslims chose to believe. Sort of like Joseph Smith or the JW dude.

Revelation 22:18-19(NIV)......"I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

[Ilene Wright]

Originally Posted by cncracer

As a person coming from a Jewish background, I have to say I have heard that before, but feel the Christian faith talks out of both sides of it mouth. Gods chosen, yet you have spent 2000 years trying to kill off those chosen. Next you will tell me some of your best friends are Jewish. I don’t buy it, or that bridge you have in New York for sale. The statement is truly hypocritical.

As for the mental illness quote, it is just that, and the statement was to give you information to go see the studies on religion and mental illness, not to swing into a tirade about mental stability of the religious.

Yes the Jewish people have always been persecuted. I can't speak for those who have done that to them or their reasons for it. My bet is that it is solely because of the Jews being God's chosen people, jealousy and hatred. I personally haven't persecuted or killed anyone. There's not a thing hypocritical about what I said. You have tremendous anger towards Christians, and the reason you are lashing out at me is because all of what I said in the previous post is truth and you know it.

Tirade? Do you know the definition of that word? There were no exclamations, capitalized letters or foul language in my previous post.
You are projecting your anger onto me.....I was quite eloquent and calm, just as I am now.

[cncracer]

Originally Posted by DayoftheLord

Yes the Jewish people have always been persecuted. I can't speak for those who have done that to them or their reasons for it. My bet is that it is solely because of the Jews being God's chosen people, jealousy and hatred. I personally haven't persecuted or killed anyone. There's not a thing hypocritical about what I said. You have tremendous anger towards Christians, and the reason you are lashing out at me is because all of what I said in the previous post is truth and you know it.

Tirade? Do you know the definition of that word? There were no exclamations, capitalized letters or foul language in my previous post.
You are projecting your anger onto me.....I was quite eloquent and calm, just as I am now.

The word is frustration not anger. I can not understand how Christian people “in general” can’t see if they support a system which is linked with inhumanity to man, and has a 2000 year history of that inhumanity, that they are not part of the problem.

You state you have not killed anyone, and I would hope that is so, but your statements give backing to the foundation of the organizations that have killed millions. I view that as guilt by association, and just as we view people who fund terrorism as having part of the responsibility for the resulting deaths, I see those who fund organized religion in the same light.

As an individual you in most likely hood would never raise a hand to kill a person, but as a group your faith has killed millions. Again this is not anger it is pure frustration at how good people follow like sheep, ignoring the damage they do. I think 2000 years of ignorance is enough, and if you can’t see the damage you do by supporting religion than you are either blind or just don’t care. Neither is acceptable in today's world.

[Ilene Wright]

Originally Posted by cncracer

The word is frustration not anger. I can not understand how Christian people “in general” can’t see if they support a system which is linked with inhumanity to man, and has a 2000 year history of that inhumanity, that they are not part of the problem.

You state you have not killed anyone, and I would hope that is so, but your statements give backing to the foundation of the organizations that have killed millions. I view that as guilt by association, and just as we view people who fund terrorism as having part of the responsibility for the resulting deaths, I see those who fund organized religion in the same light.

As an individual you in most likely hood would never raise a hand to kill a person, but as a group your faith has killed millions. Again this is not anger it is pure frustration at how good people follow like sheep, ignoring the damage they do. I think 2000 years of ignorance is enough, and if you can’t see the damage you do by supporting religion than you are either blind or just don’t care. Neither is acceptable in today's world.

As I stated before, I am not part of any group or organized religion. I just haven't found my niche yet. I have gone to church, grew up going to church, and suffered terrible abuse at the hands of a fanatical and yes....IMO....a mentally ill parent. But as I stated in another thread I overcame all of the twisted teachings and searched for the truth myself. What I found is a very patient, kind, gentle, loving God who cares for me VERY deeply....enough to allow His only Son to die for me. I'm not following anything of this world like a sheep....but I am one of God's sheep.

I financially support certain organizations that are spreading the gospel around the world and providing aid to the needy such as Billy Graham and the 700 Club. Billy and Franklin Graham travel the world to spread the gospel and people listen to and respect them because they are fabulous examples of God's faithful servants.

The 700 Club has "Operation Blessing" which goes into all of the world and provides wells for clean drinking water, helps tsunami, cyclone and now China's earthquake victims with anything they need. I may not be able to do these things myself because I am disabled, but I sure can support them in helping God's children around the world and to spread the gospel. That's the kind of Christian that I am.

I know of no true Christians who support terrorism or killing. If they do, then they simply are not Christians. Please turn back to God and remain in Him, because the time really is near. You can't change the past or those who commit such terrible crimes...but you can change your own personal relationship with God and make a difference in the lives of others through Christ's love. It's the only thing worth living for.