A question about angels and demons (paradise, translation, hell, church)

[yydanay515]

As a Christian I was taught that Lucifer was kicked out of heaven with one-third of the angels and they became what is now known as demons in Christian theology. We are told that these demons, along with Satan their leader, are running free deceiving the world. My question then is, in Jude 1:6 and II Peter 2:4 (see passages below) who are these angels that are supposedly locked away and chained until judgment day? Are there two groups of renegade angels, one set running wild and the others bound? I pretty much have my answer already and it IS biblically sound but I am not so sure many Christians reason this one out because it can lead to some real conflicting theology based on some faulty premises much like the idea of Jesus returning in the future.

Want to hear your thoughts.

And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;...

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;...

[studedude]

The point here is that sin will condemn even angels to an eternity in hell. Just as in John 3:18 we are told that those who do not believe are condemned already, future condemnation.

[yydanay515]

Originally Posted by studedude

The point here is that sin will condemn even angels to an eternity in hell. Just as in John 3:18 we are told that those who do not believe are condemned already, future condemnation.

Thanks but you have not answered the question.

[Bideshi]

Originally Posted by yydanay515

I pretty much have my answer already and it IS biblically sound .

Please share your opinion with us, and also why you believe Jesus will not return in the future (if that is what you meant).

[cronnie36]

You should read this Book of Enoch it will answer lots of questions.

You may never have heard of this text before. The link above goes to the purest translation I am aware of. This is important because alot of so called new agers and occultists have perverted the purity of this text. The Book was originally taught to early Christians and is considered sound doctrine and holy by the Ethiopic church. It is given credibility by this quote from the Epistle of Jude:

Jude:1:14: And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude:1:15: To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

If you would like to research this yourself fine. This is credible scripture though, and it explains alot about who we are and where we are headed. Also the origin of evil spirits, ufo's, various gods, and mankinds intellectual pursuits. But it explains exactly what our place is and what to expect in the future.

[yydanay515]

Originally Posted by cronnie36

You should read this Book of Enoch it will answer lots of questions.

You may never have heard of this text before. The link above goes to the purest translation I am aware of. This is important because alot of so called new agers and occultists have perverted the purity of this text. The Book was originally taught to early Christians and is considered sound doctrine and holy by the Ethiopic church. It is give credibility by this quote from the Epistle of Jude:

Jude:1:14: And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude:1:15: To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

If you would like to research this yourself fine. This is credible scripture though, and it explains alot about who we are and where we are headed. Also the origin of evil spirits, ufo's, various gods, and mankinds intellectual pursuits. But it explains exactly what our place is and what to expect in the future.

Thank you very much, but I know all of this already. I really appreciate it though. This alone is material which Christians will again disagree over. I do feel it provides the correct interpretation of who these angels are, but what I am getting at is if Satan and his angles are supposedly free to roam the earth as per Christian reckoning, who then are these angels bound in chains?

[yydanay515]

Originally Posted by Bideshi

Please share your opinion with us, and also why you believe Jesus will not return in the future (if that is what you meant).

The angels are NOT those who supposedly fell with Lucifer (a Christian interpretation) which poses all kinds of other embarrassing questions. The scripture is pretty clear about it.

As for your other question, there are threads all over the place on that topic, but suffice it to say, the Bible is CLEAR that he was supposed to have already come back a long time ago.

[cronnie36]

Originally Posted by yydanay515

Thank you very much, but I know all of this already. I really appreciate it though. This alone is material which Christians will again disagree over. I do feel it provides the correct interpretation of who these angels are, but what I am getting at is if Satan and his angles are supposedly free to roam the earth as per Christian reckoning, who then are these angels bound in chains?

I believe it's like a man in prison with outside connections.

[RAZZEL]

It seems that Jude 1:6 is referring to God confining the fallen angels who rebelled in an additional way----bound and chained until the end time angelic battle. Then they will be unleashed or unbound.

Revelation 12:7-9 describes an end-time angelic battle between Michael and "his angels" and the devil and "his angels."

[Nikk]

The angels that rebelled in heaven and were cast out by Micheal the archangel were cast into hell and bound with chains. This is a third of the angels that were created in heaven.

Man was given many things when he was created. Some of the gifts he received were physical some were spiritual.

When Satan as the snake in the garden tempted Adam and Eve with the fruit and caused them to sin, Adam and Eve handed over to satan some of their rights. One was the keys of hell and death. When Adam and Eve sinned, it is written that "in the day you shall eat you shall die." These keyes were handed over to Satan. Satan then having authority over death and hell could loose which angels he would choose. He has loosed only those that will still do his biding. Some angels in hell are still in chains and bound.

When Jesus died on the cross he went into hell and brought out those who were to enter paradise. He also took from Satan the Keys of Hell and of Death. Revelation 1:18: "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." After that Jesus rose from the dead.

At the end after Jesus returns, there will be a judgement for all and even the angels will be judged. 1 Cor. 6:3: "Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?"

Jesus' return did match events close to the time of the writting of revelation but not all. So, we still wait for his return. As we wait more and more line up with scripture. For example "Can a nation be born in a day" was fullfilled in 1948 when Isreal was given the right to be a nation. The star that fell on the third of the rivers and made them bitter was called Wormwood (or Chernobyl in Russian) and we all know the nuclear meltdown that occured there in 1986 and that many people died because of it.