A Question: Heaven and Hell. (churches, Commandment, Christian, believer)

[ptsum]

You know, this still makes no sense to me, if I was never raised in the Christian faith and do not believe in the Christian Bible and have no belief in the Christian concept of heaven and hell then how am I going to go to your hell or heaven when I pass from this world to the next, now I could understand if you were a Christian and believed in that and did not do right in your Savior's eyes, then I could see you going to your hell or if you did right, went to your heaven but if I do not believe in your Christianity then why tell me that I am going to your hell. No offense to Christianity but I think it would be best if Christianity was left to Christians.

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by moonsavvy

If the concept of heaven and hell is true from a Christian perspective, with all due respect to Christians, I would much rather spend an ETERNITY in hell around people like Trav, Pstum, Esselcue, June, Rubysky, Tricky, Seeker, Montana, GCSTroop, Kerby and (most of the people in the sacred circle) who would all be there. Than an eternity in Heaven with...narrow minded thinking that one way is the only way and too bad for those poor souls in hell, if only they would have listened.

Party in "Hell", I'll see ya there.

I'm bringing the beer! No need for charcoal or a grill - we'll have plenty of fire to do the job.

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

ptsum, based on your beliefs, what do you believe is going to happen to you when you die?

[ptsum]

Originally Posted by GCSTroop

I'm bringing the beer! No need for charcoal or a grill - we'll have plenty of fire to do the job.

I'll bring the hot dogs and hamburgers and the marshmallows.....

[GCSTroop]

I think I might understand what the OP is getting at. I think he's asking why when he's brought up to believe in something - such as his Native American beliefs - and he's been exposed to this more than anything why God is going to hold it against him if he doesn't convert? Thinking about it further, it certainly does make a lot of sense to ask this question. After all, in this country, there is an overwhelming majority of Christianity everywhere you go. People are often exposed to it their entire lives and even if they are not "close" to God in earlier years, the transition to a church environment is not far because it's all around them.

Yet, Christians have this sort of arrogance about them that the thing they have been exposed to their entire life - thus making the choice hundreds of thousands of times easier than say a potential convert in Iraq (whose life will probably be threatened by converting) and still say that they're going to burn in hell. It's just one of those things that gets me thinking how unfair the God of Christianity is.

I love how everyone says just how "fair" he is but when you die if you didn't take him into your heart he's just going to cast you away into hell regardless of your exposure level. As long as you've heard the word - THAT'S IT! Nevermind that people in easy going, no war zone, no religious discrimination America found the choice so easy after they'd heard about it their whole lives - they were just lucky. The ego behind this thought process is amazing to me. I really do NOT understand how people can reconcile the fact of just how horrible things are around the world for people who choose to change their beliefs and so many Christians talk about just how remarkably simple it is to change. It's like a complete and wreckless abandonment of the fact that people actually DIE in other parts of the world for becoming Christians. Yet, the oddness goes on further that people actually promote those willing to die for the changeover as something such as martyrs not much different than Muslims. They clap for the person and call them heroes for becoming Christians in a place where religious freedom is not acceptable.

And what it seems to boil down to is that the Christian God would rather see you die for your change in belief in this world so that you can go to heaven rather than see the troubling times you existed in. Fair? Sounds like more of the demonic monster from the Old Testament who people swear does not do the things he did before.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by moonsavvy

If the concept of heaven and hell is true from a Christian perspective, with all due respect to Christians, I would much rather spend an ETERNITY in hell around people like Trav, Pstum, Esselcue, June, Rubysky, Tricky, Seeker, Montana, GCSTroop, Kerby and (most of the people in the sacred circle) who would all be there. Than an eternity in Heaven with...narrow minded thinking that one way is the only way and too bad for those poor souls in hell, if only they would have listened.

You are so intolerant of my beliefs.

And now I am narrow-minded as well.

The OP asks for a Christian perspective, the OP is given a Christian perspective, and now Christians are narrow minded.

NICE

And the OP who asked for the Christian perspective now sits back in his 'sacred circle' and says

Originally Posted by ptsum

No offense to Christianity but I think it would be best if Christianity was left to Christians.

NICE.

Hello!

You asked! No Christian started a thread on why you are or are not going to hell. You brought it up.

Now I will probably be flamed for this post when all Christians here did was answer the questions they were asked.

I will be glad when the hypocrisy and intolerance disappears from those outside the Christian faith!

(Sound familiar?)

[ptsum]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

ptsum, based on your beliefs, what do you believe is going to happen to you when you die?

ILNC, based on my belief, I believe that my spirit is going to travel from this world to the next world, I will be with my ancestors in the next world.

[Mark S.]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

No Christian started a thread on why you are or are not going to hell. You brought it up.

I find it oddly interesting how so many atheists go out of their way to jab at Christians. Very few of them are over on the Asartu messageboards discussing the existence of Thor.

And that's not a jab at ptsum. I mean that as a general observation.

[ptsum]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

You are so intolerant of my beliefs.

And now I am narrow-minded as well.

The OP asks for a Christian perspective, the OP is given a Christian perspective, and now Christians are narrow minded.

NICE

And the OP who asked for the Christian perspective now sits back in his 'sacred circle' and says



NICE.

Hello!

You asked! No Christian started a thread on why you are or are not going to hell. You brought it up.

Now I will probably be flamed for this post when all Christians here did was answer the questions they were asked.

I will be glad when the hypocrisy and intolerance disappears from those outside the Christian faith!

(Sound familiar?)

Alpha, I mean no disrespect for your belief and I respect Christians for their belief as well as I respect all others for their belief and I think you misinterpreted my comment about it being best that Christianity be left to Christians, that comment was not meant to be in any sort of a derogatory way, it was merely meant to say that who would know better about Christianity than Christians and those of us who have no wish to become part of that particular religion should stick with our belief, no disrespect intended. I have never said anything derogatory about Christians or any other belief. You have answered my question and explained the way a Christian believes and I thanked you for your response, I do not feel I have been hypocritical about anything.

[Tricky D]

Originally Posted by Mark S.

I find it oddly interesting how so many atheists go out of their way to jab at Christians.

Isn't it a fact that Christians have to believe that everyone is going to hell unless they accept Christ as their saviour?

Very few of them are over on the Asartu messageboards discussing the existence of Thor.

As far as I know Thor hasn't doomed anyone nor do his followers threaten anyone who doesn't believe in him with eternal suffering in hell.
So why should I be concerned with whether Thor exists or not?
Besidez, how many powerful and / or influential people try to persuade the government to force people to live according to Thor's commandments?