Nice way to get mormons to leave us alone? (translation, America, faith)

[chielgirl]

Originally Posted by PaulMcNabb

I'd just learn to get over it and accept this probably very infrequent inconvenience as part of the price of living in a free democracy.

If you come to my door uninvited and ignore my signs, I will do whatever it takes to have you not come back.
It was not that infrequent in the military community I lived in while in Japan; and it happens more frequently than I'd like in the US.

The lack of respect is what bothers me.
Stay the f off of my property.
If I want your god thing, I'll go and find it.

[iamman]

Originally Posted by chielgirl

The lack of respect is what bothers me.
Stay the f off of my property.
If I want your god thing, I'll go and find it.

Although you apparently disagree, I would just like to point out that missionary work in Christianity, the LDS church included, is done out of love for fellow man and a desire for salvation. Not a lack of respect, but in fact borne out of a deep respect for the divine nature of the human soul.

I understand you think otherwise, and that makes every visit unfortunate, but those visiting are unaware of your past experiences, your views, and are doing what they feel is right and good for humanity. I'm not telling you to change your opinion (I understand the feeling of ownership over your land/property very well), just a friendly reminder that it is a meeting between strangers and they are not intentionally returning to bother you.

[iamman]

Originally Posted by dreameyes

The next time they come to your door. Firmly ask them to give you the name and number of their mission President and give him a call and let him know you're not interested. They need to respect you.

That's not a bad idea. Just explain they've come by many times in the past. If you ask them to make a note in their area book to not bother you that should do the trick as well. Calling the mission president will work temporarily, but he is replaced every 3 years and he can't keep notes of every address of a home that does not want to be bothered over a large geographic area and then inform the missionaries in the area at every companion change (sometimes as frequent as six weeks).

If you want to be effective over the long term, just explain that this is NOT the first time, you are really not interested, and PLEASE make a note in the area book for future missionaries.



I don't understand the misconception that missionaries want to come bother people. On the contrary, no one wants to be yelled at, nor do they seek it out, nor do they love knocking. Listening is, of course, is your choice, if you choose not to listen-no harm done. I always felt if I wasn't teaching from the scriptures or answering sincere questions I was pretty much wasting time. Dedicated missionaries will feel that way as well. They only knock when there is nothing left to do, most often in the day time when appointments are hard to come by. Knocking on your door is not their first choice either.

Since they are not there just to harass you, and the local turnover is really high, I suggest the note in the area book. Say an LDS friend advised you to do this or something, if they understand you've even taken this much time to find an answer, hopefully they won't be too lazy and do it for you.

[happynoodleboycey]

Answer the door in a Slayer t-shirt. They won't stick around.

[norcalmom101]

Originally Posted by iamman

Although you apparently disagree, I would just like to point out that missionary work in Christianity, the LDS church included, is done out of love for fellow man and a desire for salvation. Not a lack of respect, but in fact borne out of a deep respect for the divine nature of the human soul.

I understand you think otherwise, and that makes every visit unfortunate, but those visiting are unaware of your past experiences, your views, and are doing what they feel is right and good for humanity. I'm not telling you to change your opinion (I understand the feeling of ownership over your land/property very well), just a friendly reminder that it is a meeting between strangers and they are not intentionally returning to bother you.

Meeting between strangers? I'm with chielgirl 100%, stay the f off my property. TRESSPASSING isn't a friggin meeting between strangers. Spread the love of god by having some RESPECT.

[PaulMcNabb]

Originally Posted by ParkTwain

There is plenty of information available on the Internet and elsewhere about the factual basis for the foundations of the LDS church.

Yes, and there is plenty out there that is pretty loose with the facts. How are you distinguishing them? By which ones already agree with your belief?

I am not part of any organized "anti-Mormon" organizaton but rather am an independent individual who does his own research.

I'm glad you try to do "research." Do you know what "research" is?

My personal opinion is that the LDS church is a fraudulent organization.

Each of us is entitled to his/her own opinion. I happen to disagree.

I say this because I think that the historical record makes it pretty clear that Joseph Smith, Jr., himself was a very ambitious (a candidate for President of the U.S. at the time of his death) and manipulative person, practiced duplicity among his own church elders and his church flock, was rabidly and inappropriately sexual with his female flock and eventually invented the notion of plural marriage as a cover, and was intentionally untruthful about the supposed origin of the Book of Mormon, as were the other "witnesses" most of whom did not continue with the LDS church for very long after its founding.

It seems obvious to me after reading your "analysis" that you must have a very, very low threshold for what you call "research." I would take issue with some of the assertions you have made and nearly all of the characterizations you have made.

Smith's own eldest son renounced the LDS church and ended up being a footnote to history and a part of an LDS splinter church.

Hummm. What a strange way of looking at it. Joseph Smith III was raised outside the Church from the time he was a teenager. He emphatically believed that his father was a prophet, that the Book of Mormon was historical and true, and that the Church of Jesus Christ had been restored as the only church having authority. He gave his entire life to that belief.

I think you have been doing your "research" a little too heavily among the rabid anti-Mormon crowd.

[norcalmom101]

Originally Posted by happynoodleboycey

Answer the door in a Slayer t-shirt. They won't stick around.

My son wears nothing but, doesn't work.

[PaulMcNabb]

Originally Posted by chielgirl

If you come to my door uninvited and ignore my signs, I will do whatever it takes to have you not come back.

If you do so, you may very well find yourself in jail with your property confiscated by the state. Our society simply does not tolerate such anti-social and harmful behavior. There are ways of limiting uninvited visitors to your door, and if people violate your legitimate requests there are consequences for them. But if you think you have the right to "do whatever it takes" then you need to rethink about living in a civilized democracy ruled by law. It doesn't sound like the sort of place for you.

It was not that infrequent in the military community I lived in while in Japan; and it happens more frequently than I'd like in the US.

The lack of respect is what bothers me.
Stay the f off of my property.
If I want your god thing, I'll go and find it.

I'm sorry you feel so strongly that you're willing to do away with some fundamental constitutional rights of other people. Yes, other people should respect you and your desires. Yes, you have certain rights pertaining to your property. No, you can't entirely trample on the rights of others to voice their opinion just because you don't want to hear it.

Maybe you should try North Korea. I understand that people there are never bothered by anyone going door to door with political or religious ideas.

[minibrings]

If you are male:
Tell 'em that your gay lover makes all the decisions when it comes to religion. Yup tell 'em you are big time "homos" (sic) and you had fun with the last group of missionaries (wink).

If you are female:
Tell 'em that your gay lover makes all the decisions when it comes to religion. Yup tell 'em you are big time "homos" (sic) and you like to practice witchcraft and you had fun stripping the last group of missionaries for your wiccan ritual.

If you are feeling nice:
Find a chore they can do around the house, listen politely then send them on their way with a caffeinated beverage (just tell 'em its caffeine free).

Originally Posted by chielgirl

If you answer the door naked, they get embarrassed and walk away.

Also, a pitcher of cold water can do the trick since NO doesn't work.

[PaulMcNabb]

Originally Posted by norcalmom101

Meeting between strangers? I'm with chielgirl 100%, stay the f off my property. TRESSPASSING isn't a friggin meeting between strangers. Spread the love of god by having some RESPECT.

I don't know where you live, but it is highly unlikely that a court would find that person had TRESPASSED who walked up your sidewalk you had in place for visitors and rang the doorbell you had in place for visitors in order to exercise their constitutional right to express their religious views. Your hateful intolerance for the human and constitutional rights of others is quite sad.