Message from God to America. (planet, dinosaur, Isaiah, hell)

[SeekerSA]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

Israels involvement with Ethiopia is a fact

So is South Africa's - we do not have the ark.

, and 120,000 Ethopian Jews have already returned to Israel.

And that is proof of what exactly?

The only absuridity here is your abillty to ignore what is factual, and then call what is clearly known unreality.

What is "factual" is your perception of reality which sadly does not reflect it.

Perhaps if you actually considered or studied what historical discoveries were occuring in Israel, you would understand. Yet, you personal belief void of a presentations of facts seems to be what drives you.

Aah the my facts are better than your facts argument.

Ironic how it was I that inferred the Ethiopian angle just after you stated that Israel is in possession of the Ark which you then have taken on explored more and posted your "facts" which are not factual.

The Ethiopians have stated the Ark would be returned at Gods appointed time.

How convenient - seems a part of their tourist industry would suffer if they "were" to release it.

Israel does not just walk in and take it back. Now the question is? Has the appointed time come? I doubt that Israel will reveal anything until there is full agreement on the rebuilding of the temple.

And you simply IGNORE what I posted - here it is again.

The institute holds lectures in all parts of the country, and is well known in many countries.

Approximately one hundred thousand people visit the institute and its exhibitions, and they come to learn about the commandments and laws connected with the Temple, with the hope that one day the government of Israel will allow the building of the Temple, and reinstitute the sacrificial system as it was in days past.

The "facts" you have presented wrt the rebuilding of the temple is merely a pipe dream of a minority in a secular based culture where 51% do not follow the Torah but 50% do believe in a "god"

Yet, there are number of accounts from responsible Jewish men about the location of the Ark in Israel. Some of these claims are from government officials, some are not. Yet these statements are not based on myths. There have been documtaries that speak about the Ark in Ethiopia, and even interviews with the monk who use to watch over it. Again, this documtary was not based on myths.

So if someone says so it is so - OK - I get the logic.

You assume that I have not looked at both sides of the claims? Well I have.

Nothing you post here is irrefutable - it is mostly subjective and conjecture. You have a weird way of trying to connect the dots. Just in this post of yours I quote here, you make a claim of 120k Ethiopians returning to Israel in support of what exactly? Many Ethiopians claim to have the Ark, not just one person/location. The history channel did a whole documentary on this and they could not provide the evidence as it is supposedly not possible w/o being "killed". Way to keep the myth alive don't you think?

It says nothing more that there are Jews in Ethiopia and is no different to the Jews in South Africa.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, the latter you have not provided.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by SeekerSA

So is South Africa's - we do not have the ark.

And that is proof of what exactly?

What is "factual" is your perception of reality which sadly does not reflect it.

Aah the my facts are better than your facts argument.

Ironic how it was I that inferred the Ethiopian angle just after you stated that Israel is in possession of the Ark which you then have taken on explored more and posted your "facts" which are not factual.

How convenient - seems a part of their tourist industry would suffer if they "were" to release it.

And you simply IGNORE what I posted - here it is again.

The institute holds lectures in all parts of the country, and is well known in many countries.

Approximately one hundred thousand people visit the institute and its exhibitions, and they come to learn about the commandments and laws connected with the Temple, with the hope that one day the government of Israel will allow the building of the Temple, and reinstitute the sacrificial system as it was in days past.

The "facts" you have presented wrt the rebuilding of the temple is merely a pipe dream of a minority in a secular based culture where 51% do not follow the Torah but 50% do believe in a "god"

So if someone says so it is so - OK - I get the logic.

You assume that I have not looked at both sides of the claims? Well I have.

Nothing you post here is irrefutable - it is mostly subjective and conjecture. You have a weird way of trying to connect the dots. Just in this post of yours I quote here, you make a claim of 120k Ethiopians returning to Israel in support of what exactly? Many Ethiopians claim to have the Ark, not just one person/location. The history channel did a whole documentary on this and they could not provide the evidence as it is supposedly not possible w/o being "killed". Way to keep the myth alive don't you think?

It says nothing more that there are Jews in Ethiopia and is no different to the Jews in South Africa.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, the latter you have not provided.

120,000 Jews have returned to Israel. And you have stated that is proof of what exactly? You need to read your own post. You were the one that stated my story meanders from unreality to absurdity, geographic location to geographic location with (NO PLAUSIBLE LINK) Even in your mind, I would think 120,000 Jews returning to Israel from Ethiopia gives some hint of a link here. When the ark disappeared, King Solomon had close ties to the people, and land of Ethiopia.

The traditions of the Ark in Ethiopia have been in existance for thousands of years, and from the very beginning, I am sure, it was not the tourist industry that started that tradition.

(1.) It was the Bible that predicted the return of the Jews to Israel in the latter days. (2.) It was the Bible that stated they would retake Jerusalem. (3.) It was the Bible that predicted the sealing of Jerusalems East Gate. (4.) And it is the Bible that predicts the rebuilding of their third Temple. The pipe dream is yours, the Bible is always right, and those who oppose the Bible will always be proven wrong. It is the Bible that supplies the evidence, and it is the Bible that is being proven correct.
If we lived 200 years ago, I have no doubt that you would of stated that No.1,2,3, will never happen, and you would of been (WRONG). And now the Bible tells us the temple will be rebuilt which is No.4, and you are about to be proven wrong again. The Bible speaks with authority, and you speak without knowledge. And you ignore prophecies that have already been proven true. The Bible offers that extraordinary evidence, and that is evidence you simply ignore.

British journalist Graham Hancock believes the Ark today will be found in the Church of St. Mary Zion in the small town of Aksum, Ethiopia. Most historical accounts will put the Ark there as well, so it really does not matter what people believe, it is where history points us to that is important. It is believed that the son of the high priest (Zadok) took the ark from the temple in Jerusalem and brought it to Ethiopia long ago. This took place during the time of King Solomom.

[SeekerSA]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

120,000 Jews have returned to Israel. And you have stated that is proof of what exactly? You need to read your own post. You were the one that stated my story meanders from unreality to absurdity, geographic location to geographic location with (NO PLAUSIBLE LINK) Even in your mind, I would think 120,000 Jews returning to Israel from Ethiopia gives some hint of a link here. When the ark disappeared, King Solomon had close ties to the people, and land of Ethiopia.

The Ethiopian angle has always been there but now you do digress somewhat which reinforces my point that at the time of Jesus, the temple stuff no longer included the traditional ones of the first two.

The traditions of the Ark in Ethiopia have been in existance for thousands of years, and from the very beginning, I am sure, it was not the tourist industry that started that tradition.(1.) It was the Bible that predicted the return of the Jews to Israel in the latter days. (2.) It was the Bible that stated they would retake Jerusalem. (3.) It was the Bible that predicted the sealing of Jerusalems East Gate. (4.) And it is the Bible that predicts the rebuilding of their third Temple. The pipe dream is yours, the Bible is always right, and those who oppose the Bible will always be proven wrong. It is the Bible that supplies the evidence, and it is the Bible that is being proven correct.

No it is not being proven correct. It is being spun into supposedly being correct based on a fallacy invented in ±1830.

If we lived 200 years ago, I have no doubt that you would of stated that No.1,2,3, will never happen, and you would of been (WRONG). And now the Bible tells us the temple will be rebuilt which is No.4, and you are about to be proven wrong again.

No the temple will not be rebuilt, it is HOPED that the authorities will ALLOW the temple to be rebuilt and for the sacrifices of old to be reinstated. That is hardly a defacto "fact" that it will be rebuilt.

Had we lived 200 years ago, likely we would not have had the ability to read and write unless we were privileged.

You do forget that the Jews never really left Palestine in their entirety, there was a remnant there that lived in peace with the Arabs. You have also ignored the true origins of the Jews of today because you want to be right on your POV.

The Bible speaks with authority, and you speak without knowledge. And you ignore prophecies that have already been proven true. The Bible offers that extraordinary evidence, and that is evidence you simply ignore.

I do not simply ignore, I disseminate the evidence and come away with different conclusions - the prophesies are being made to fit an end time futuristic scenario which is IMO not biblical.

British journalist Graham Hancock believes the Ark today will be found in the Church of St. Mary Zion in the small town of Aksum, Ethiopia. Most historical accounts will put the Ark there as well, so it really does not matter what people believe, it is where history points us to that is important. It is believed that the son of the high priest (Zadok) took the ark from the temple in Jerusalem and brought it to Ethiopia long ago. This took place during the time of King Solomom.

How does the belief of one man or a few for that matter become a fact? A fact is irrefutable evidence.

Did Mr. Hancock see the Ark? No! Thus it is based on "faith" that it is there.

The problem with your entire premise of the rebuilding of the temple requires the Ark to be there and the Ark is missing. Furthermore you choose to ignore that the majority are NOT in favor of any rebuilding - had that been different, then we would have seen concrete plans for construction but the problem remains the "dome of the rock" is where they want to rebuild. Any other site will be a facsimile of the real deal.

The days of the temple are over.

The reason I say you bounce form location to location, you are taking stuff in S America to somehow prove stuff in the Mid East and at the time of Jesus, folk were not aware of the S American cultures. Furthermore, the moving to S America, sorta shoots your argument in the foot regarding Noah's Ark in that that culture is radically different and the only "link" is images of "dinosaurs" - you need to keep track of what you say on your various threads.

Are you too proud to simple state "this is what I believe" instead of trying to convince others that these are THE facts?

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by SeekerSA

The Ethiopian angle has always been there but now you do digress somewhat which reinforces my point that at the time of Jesus, the temple stuff no longer included the traditional ones of the first two.



No it is not being proven correct. It is being spun into supposedly being correct based on a fallacy invented in ±1830.

No the temple will not be rebuilt, it is HOPED that the authorities will ALLOW the temple to be rebuilt and for the sacrifices of old to be reinstated. That is hardly a defacto "fact" that it will be rebuilt.

Had we lived 200 years ago, likely we would not have had the ability to read and write unless we were privileged.

You do forget that the Jews never really left Palestine in their entirety, there was a remnant there that lived in peace with the Arabs. You have also ignored the true origins of the Jews of today because you want to be right on your POV.

I do not simply ignore, I disseminate the evidence and come away with different conclusions - the prophesies are being made to fit an end time futuristic scenario which is IMO not biblical.

How does the belief of one man or a few for that matter become a fact? A fact is irrefutable evidence.

Did Mr. Hancock see the Ark? No! Thus it is based on "faith" that it is there.

The problem with your entire premise of the rebuilding of the temple requires the Ark to be there and the Ark is missing. Furthermore you choose to ignore that the majority are NOT in favor of any rebuilding - had that been different, then we would have seen concrete plans for construction but the problem remains the "dome of the rock" is where they want to rebuild. Any other site will be a facsimile of the real deal.

The days of the temple are over.

The reason I say you bounce form location to location, you are taking stuff in S America to somehow prove stuff in the Mid East and at the time of Jesus, folk were not aware of the S American cultures. Furthermore, the moving to S America, sorta shoots your argument in the foot regarding Noah's Ark in that that culture is radically different and the only "link" is images of "dinosaurs" - you need to keep track of what you say on your various threads.

Are you too proud to simple state "this is what I believe" instead of trying to convince others that these are THE facts?

If it was a fallcy from the 1830s, why do Christian from the 1600s state that before Christ can return we would first see the Jewish people return to Israel, and retake Jerusalem? And believe this or not, this is recorded in books that people read over 300 years ago.

And if the days of the Temple were over, we would not see a push by so many Jews today to build it. You are simply ignoring the facts on the ground. And because somthing has not been revealed to the public, does not mean it is missing. And in the case of the Ark, there are those who are telling us it is not missing. And some of these people are people who would be in the know. And where do you get your facts that state the majority of Jews are not in favor of rebuilding the temple? Can you show me some recent data? That may of been true years ago, yet I do not see any evidence to suggest this is true today, in fact, I see just the oppsite. And the Temple does not need to be built on the site of the Dome of the Rock, so that should pose no problem. Recent findings indicate that the actual Temple was about 102 feet from the corner of the Dome of the Rock.

The fact is, the vast majority of Jews were forced into slavery by the Romans and sent to other countries. The idea that there were isloated groups latter on is not important. The prophecies could only be fulfilled after the worldwide exile ended, and the Jews proclaimed Israel a nation once again. And they did this in 1948, and after almost 2,000 years of exile. I did not forget anything.

What does the culture of South America have to do with the existance of dinosuars?

And how does moving on to South America shoot my arguement for the Ark in the foot? Please explain?

Hancock's belief is based on History. Do you believe in Americas Revolutionary War? After all, you never actually saw the war happen, so how do you know it really happened?

Yes, this is what I believe, and all of what I believe is either supported by historical accounts, or is revealed in the prophecies of the Bible.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by skoro

Fear seems to be the core feature in religious life.

Well fear is a good thing. It is built into us to warn us of danger for the purpose of keeping us safe.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by ptsum

It will never happen..

There was a time people said the Jews will never return to Israel, and they will never retake Jerusalem. Yet, time has proven them wrong. When the Bible tells you something is going to happen, you can be sure it will. The temple will be rebuilt, because the Bible tells us it will.

[baxendale]

The temple will be rebuilt, because the Bible tells us it will.[/quote]

Because the Bible tells us so
But why believe the Bible?
The Bible is infallible
But how do you know the Bible it's infallible?
The Bible is the word of God
But how can you be sure it's the word of God?
Because the Bible tells us so

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by baxendale

The temple will be rebuilt, because the Bible tells us it will.

Because the Bible tells us so
But why believe the Bible?
The Bible is infallible
But how do you know the Bible it's infallible?
The Bible is the word of God
But how can you be sure it's the word of God?
Because the Bible tells us so

[/quote]

No, we believe the Bible because the prophecies of the Bible have been proven correct.

1. The Bible stated that near the end of time the Jewish people would return to Israel. This has happened.
2. The Bible told us that at the same time the Jewish people would retake Jerusalem. This has happened.
3. The Bible told us that Jerusalems East Gate would have a Porch Gate added to it, and that Gate would be sealed, and it would remaind sealed until the Prince to come would open it. That Gate remains sealed today.
4. The Bible tells us that Israel will rebuild it's temple, and today there is a movement that is working to rebuild the Temple, just as the Bible said.

We can be sure it is the Word of God, because it's prophecies are true.

[ptsum]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

Because the Bible tells us so
But why believe the Bible?
The Bible is infallible
But how do you know the Bible it's infallible?
The Bible is the word of God
But how can you be sure it's the word of God?
Because the Bible tells us so

No, we believe the Bible because the prophecies of the Bible have been proven correct.

1. The Bible stated that near the end of time the Jewish people would return to Israel. This has happened.
2. The Bible told us that at the same time the Jewish people would retake Jerusalem. This has happened.
3. The Bible told us that Jerusalems East Gate would have a Porch Gate added to it, and that Gate would be sealed, and it would remaind sealed until the Prince to come would open it. That Gate remains sealed today.
4. The Bible tells us that Israel will rebuild it's temple, and today there is a movement that is working to rebuild the Temple, just as the Bible said.

We can be sure it is the Word of God, because it's prophecies are true.[/quote]


Do you realize that everything that you have said here, throughout this entire thread is merely your opinion of your interpretation of your sacred book and nothing more,are you a prophet sent by your God himself and if you are why should anyone believe what you have to say,how does anyone know that you're not a false prophet and how can you prove otherwise?

[LogicIsYourFriend]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

No, we believe the Bible because the prophecies of the Bible have been proven correct.

1. The Bible stated that near the end of time the Jewish people would return to Israel. This has happened.
2. The Bible told us that at the same time the Jewish people would retake Jerusalem. This has happened.
3. The Bible told us that Jerusalems East Gate would have a Porch Gate added to it, and that Gate would be sealed, and it would remaind sealed until the Prince to come would open it. That Gate remains sealed today.
4. The Bible tells us that Israel will rebuild it's temple, and today there is a movement that is working to rebuild the Temple, just as the Bible said.

We can be sure it is the Word of God, because it's prophecies are true.

Some prophecies that did not come true:

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

"In Immanuel's name, we pray?" I don't think so.

Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.

Damascus thrives to this day.

Isaiah 19:4-5 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts. And the waters shall fail from the sea, and the river shall be wasted and dried up.

And yet the Nile is still flowing.

Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

The Canaanite language was never spoken in Egypt, and is now a dead language.

Isaiah 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.

I doubt every person in Jerusalem is circumcised.

Ezekiel 29:10-11 Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years.

Egypt has never been uninhabited for a 40 year span.

And my favorite: Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Yet everyone in Jesus' generation died without the rapture, just like all Christians have since then.

I wonder why they aren't expecting to have to wait for 40 years of Egypt being uninhabited before the rapture anyway? After all, believing in one prophecy should mean believing in all prophecies, right?