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[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by SeekerSA

Thanks to the Omniscient League of Nations.



Yes , they will not be allowed as the majority of Israel is Secular not religious.



You have no clue as when refuted you default to ad hominem attacks.

You have been squarely refuted using the self same sources you have cited, namely your temple rebuilder nuts.

Anyway, if Jesus prophesied the temple's destruction, why would God now want His temple rebuilt?

See your logic is circular - you cannot defend your position even from the bible when you make these dumb statements.

In fact, your whole argument falls flat as the supposed rebuilding is to take place by those who would worship the antichrist or his hologram in the new temple - so how is God going to assist that which opposes Him or His will?

Furthermore, the rebuilding has to coincide with the tribulation hence if a mid tribber, it will need to be erected in 3.5 years.

Yet:

1Co 3:16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
1Co 3:17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God shall destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which you are.

1Co 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit in you, whom you have of God? And you are not your own,

2Co 6:16 And what agreement does a temple of God have with idols? For you are the temple of the living God, as God has said, "I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people."

Rev 3:12 Him who overcomes I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he will go out no more. And I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven from My God, and My new name.

You are so far from the truth it is unreal - you just choose to believe the myths of the futurists.

So the Omniscient League of nations only allowed the Jews to return to Israel to fulfill Bible prophecy? LOL

And when there was a Majority of non believers in Jerusalem, God used them to fulfill most of Jerusalems East Gate prophecy. Did you forget that part. God will use Secular Jews, to help fulfill the building of the third Temple.

Secular Jews want Temple Rebuilt
Secular Jews want Temple Rebuilt « True Discernment

And if you recall, Rosa Parks was considered once in the minority when it came to civil rights, and we know how that turned out.

And Jesus did say the temple would be destroyed. And the Bible tells us that in the latter days the Jews would return to Israel, and rebuild their temple. And that is why the Temple will be rebuilt, because the Bible demands it. And my statements are not dumb at all, because my statements are based on Biblical truth. Do you only listen to Jesus words about the destruction of the temple, and ignore the rest of the Bible?

And the reason God has returned the Jews to Israel is to anger the nations. God wants the nations to attack Israel. God is useing the Jews as bait. God is going to show the world who He is when the world tries to force the Jews out of their land by force. God gave that land to the Jews, and the world forgot that part.

[SeekerSA]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

So the Omniscient League of nations only allowed the Jews to return to Israel to fulfill Bible prophecy? LOL

And when there was a Majority of non believers in Jerusalem, God used them to fulfill most of Jerusalems East Gate prophecy. Did you forget that part. God will use Secular Jews, to help fulfill the building of the third Temple.

Secular Jews want Temple Rebuilt
Secular Jews want Temple Rebuilt « True Discernment

From your link - linked through to the actual article.

"Secular Jews for the Temple"
The centerpiece of Tisha B'Av mourning is the destruction of the Holy Temple (Beit HaMikdash). Among the many groups that have sprouted over the past several years promoting awareness of the Beit HaMikdash is one named "Secular Jews for the Temple." Ahuvyah Tabenkin of left-wing Kibbutz Ein Harod said, "It's true that we don't exactly represent a majority of secular Kibbutz members... but the pioneers have always been a minority: the Zionists were a minority among the Jews, those who came to the Land were a minority among the Zionists, those who worked the land were also a minority, and now we are a minority as well. But I hope that soon we will be the leaders."

There's that darn word again - hope =/= not fact

And if you recall, Rosa Parks was considered once in the minority when it came to civil rights, and we know how that turned out.

BS - Strawman

And Jesus did say the temple would be destroyed. And the Bible tells us that in the latter days the Jews would return to Israel, and rebuild their temple.

Wrong - that happened long ago not 1948

And that is why the Temple will be rebuilt, because the Bible demands it.

No - you demand it, not the bible.

And my statements are not dumb at all, because my statements are based on Biblical truth. Do you only listen to Jesus words about the destruction of the temple, and ignore the rest of the Bible?

You kinda missed the scriptures I posted I guess and that was not Jesus' words.

And the reason God has returned the Jews to Israel is to anger the nations. God wants the nations to attack Israel. God is useing the Jews as bait. God is going to show the world who He is when the world tries to force the Jews out of their land by force. God gave that land to the Jews, and the world forgot that part.

You have already spewed this crap and have already been refuted.

But just going back to your link you posted:

And the “Temple” has already been built they are just sadly blind to it:


Hebrews 9:11-15:

The Heavenly Temple:

But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

So it seems you do not even read the stuff you link to - go figure.

Campbell your theology looks like this:

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by SeekerSA

From your link - linked through to the actual article.

"Secular Jews for the Temple"
The centerpiece of Tisha B'Av mourning is the destruction of the Holy Temple (Beit HaMikdash). Among the many groups that have sprouted over the past several years promoting awareness of the Beit HaMikdash is one named "Secular Jews for the Temple." Ahuvyah Tabenkin of left-wing Kibbutz Ein Harod said, "It's true that we don't exactly represent a majority of secular Kibbutz members... but the pioneers have always been a minority: the Zionists were a minority among the Jews, those who came to the Land were a minority among the Zionists, those who worked the land were also a minority, and now we are a minority as well. But I hope that soon we will be the leaders."

There's that darn word again - hope =/= not fact

BS - Strawman

Wrong - that happened long ago not 1948

No - you demand it, not the bible.

You kinda missed the scriptures I posted I guess and that was not Jesus' words.

You have already spewed this crap and have already been refuted.

But just going back to your link you posted:

And the “Temple” has already been built they are just sadly blind to it:


Hebrews 9:11-15:

The Heavenly Temple:

But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come, with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands, that is, not of this creation. Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. For if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkling the unclean, sanctifies for the purifying of the flesh, how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

So it seems you do not even read the stuff you link to - go figure.

Campbell your theology looks like this:

Oh, the Jews returned long ago? Tell me, when was the last time the Jews returned to Israel and proclaimed Israel a nation after a worldwide exile? When did this happen long ago? And when this happened, did they fulfill the order of the prophecies? And when they did this, did Jerusalems East Gate have the porch Gate at this time? And when the Jews did this, did they retake Jerusalem back by force? And when the temple was built long ago, did the Anti Christ force every man and woman to receive his mark on their forhead or right hand? And did they make an image of the Anti Christ, and put his image in the temple in Jerusalem? And did his image both breath and speak? And was the world commanded to worship the image that was set up in the temple? And did everyone who refused to worship his image put to death? When were people not allowed to buy or sell because they did not have the mark of the beast on their right hand or forhead? Tell me, what year did all this happen? Now you made the statement, now, can you tell me when all of this was fulfilled?

[SeekerSA]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

Oh, the Jews returned long ago? Tell me, when was the last time the Jews returned to Israel and proclaimed Israel a nation after a worldwide exile? When did this happen long ago? And when this happened, did they fulfill the order of the prophecies? And when they did this, did Jerusalems East Gate have the porch Gate at this time? And when the Jews did this, did they retake Jerusalem back by force? And when the temple was built long ago, did the Anti Christ force every man and woman to receive his mark on their forhead or right hand? And did they make an image of the Anti Christ, and put his image in the temple in Jerusalem? And did his image both breath and speak? And was the world commanded to worship the image that was set up in the temple? And did everyone who refused to worship his image put to death? When were people not allowed to buy or sell because they did not have the mark of the beast on their right hand or forhead? Tell me, what year did all this happen? Now you made the statement, now, can you tell me when all of this was fulfilled?

Why do I need to prove anything to you? You certainly have not considered anything I have posted, you are like all the futurists, field a theory, gets refuted, field another theory ad infinitum.

But it is interesting that you are now entering the Twilight zone of Jack van Impe and Hal Lindsey whom you have so adamantly denied you follow.

I think to be fair, pose your questions based on scripture - I am not going to do your homework for you.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by SeekerSA

Why do I need to prove anything to you? You certainly have not considered anything I have posted, you are like all the futurists, field a theory, gets refuted, field another theory ad infinitum.

But it is interesting that you are now entering the Twilight zone of Jack van Impe and Hal Lindsey whom you have so adamantly denied you follow.

I think to be fair, pose your questions based on scripture - I am not going to do your homework for you.

I'm old enought to know that I came to a lot of my conclusions long before Jack van Impe or Hal Lindsey.

Revelation 13: 13 to 17. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of thoses miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Can you tell me when in past history this event happened?

[scgraham]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

Campbell34 wrote:

So after Noah spent all those years building that boat do you think that when it started raining that a few of his neighbors might have asked if they could come aboard? And if they did, do you think he would have let them?

Today, you are being offered a ticket aboard Jesus' ark, but you scoff and refuse. I suspect those people did the same thing.

[scgraham]

Originally Posted by SouperStar34

The only difference between a Christian and a non-Christian is that we have excepted Jesus as the only God. The only requirement to enter heaven to have faith that Jesus is God. Yet, without good works faith is dead.

That is not biblical. There is a huge difference; born-again Christians do not commit sin. Those who teach that everybody sins is a doctrine of devils. We use to be sinners.

(1 John 3:9) "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

(Hebrews 10:26) "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

(2 Timothy 4:3) "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"

[sanspeur]

Unbelievable...So now you can rape, murder and steal with impunity huh?

[MontanaGuy]

scgraham wrote:

Today, you are being offered a ticket aboard Jesus' ark, but you scoff and refuse. I suspect those people did the same thing.

Well first off, I wasn't aware that there was even going to be another ark. Did I miss an invitation in the mail? I get so many of those notices that I've won something that maybe I threw it out.
The story of Noah and the flood is mythology and is impossible. I do believe that Jesus did in fact exist but I don't believe that he came back from the dead or will ever come back to the earth as a living entity. It's not about scoffing, it's about accepting reality. I honestly do respect those who hold religious beliefs and I do believe in the freedom of thought and the right to choose your own path in life so my comments are not intended to be insulting in any way. I just have a completely different view of the world than you do. In any case, I wish you a pleasant Holiday season as I do for all of my friends on this forum. Once you get to know me I'm really not so bad.

[SeekerSA]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

I'm old enought to know that I came to a lot of my conclusions long before Jack van Impe or Hal Lindsey.

Revelation 13: 13 to 17. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of thoses miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Can you tell me when in past history this event happened?

I have lost all the links I once had, give me a few days, this will not be a short answer as it digs way back into the OT to understand the marks etc.

It is not what you think it is like something that will happen in the future. However if you are not open to an alternative reasoning - I will be wasting my time.

The one clue I will point you to is that in the start of revelation it says:

Rev 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads and hears the Words of this prophecy, and the ones keeping the things written in it, for the time is near.

This can be taken as past as in it happened in John's lifetime, or as perpetual present.

Rev 22:6 And he said to me, These sayings are faithful and true. And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show to His servants the things which must shortly be done.
Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly. Blessed is he who keeps the Words of the prophecy of this Book.

These are key to understanding that Revelation does not speak of anything apocalyptic.

I will probably start a new thread.