Does Micah 5:2 really speak about Jesus? (prophecies, Jerusalem, Israel, believe)

[Condemned]

I beg to differ.

Well Christmas is coming around and a few ministers will mention it in their messages but I see something different and it is yet another bit of proof to me that New Testament writers forced Jesus into Old Testament passages to legitimize their that he was a prophesied messiah.

It is also another case of accepting something one is taught to believe without question.

[Fred314X]

Right at the beginning of the Book of Micah, the writing is actually given a historical reference point. It says that Micah prophesied during the reigns of Jothan, Ahaz and Hezekiah...and that his prophesies concerned the situation between the Northern and Southern kingdoms. (We're talking about the period between, roughly, 720-700 BCE).

And the writer specifies that Micah prophesied about the situation that existed between the Northern and Southern kingdoms, Israel and Judah. In plain English, both kingdoms claimed to be the true heart of Judaism. Micah's viewpoint is very clear: Judah is the religious repository, and not Israel (1:5-6 "And what are the high places of Judah--are they not Jerusalem? Therefore I will make Samaria a heap in the field.")

Seven hundred years before Jesus, and discussing the local religious situation. So, to answer the question of this post, no.

[Condemned]

Originally Posted by Fred314X

Right at the beginning of the Book of Micah, the writing is actually given a historical reference point. It says that Micah prophesied during the reigns of Jothan, Ahaz and Hezekiah...and that his prophesies concerned the situation between the Northern and Southern kingdoms. (We're talking about the period between, roughly, 720-700 BCE).

And the writer specifies that Micah prophesied about the situation that existed between the Northern and Southern kingdoms, Israel and Judah. In plain English, both kingdoms claimed to be the true heart of Judaism. Micah's viewpoint is very clear: Judah is the religious repository, and not Israel (1:5-6 "And what are the high places of Judah--are they not Jerusalem? Therefore I will make Samaria a heap in the field.")

Seven hundred years before Jesus, and discussing the local religious situation. So, to answer the question of this post, no.

EXACTLY! Great answer!

[kdbrich]

Yeah...it does describe Christ. A ruler will come from Bethlehem.

Who else does it apply to, if not Jesus?

"But out of you will come
a ruler over Israel for me.
His family line goes back
to the early years of your nation. But out of you will come
a ruler over Israel for me.
His family line goes back
to the early years of your nation. "

[Condemned]

Originally Posted by kdbrich

Yeah...it does describe Christ. A ruler will come from Bethlehem.

Who else does it apply to, if not Jesus?

"But out of you will come
a ruler over Israel for me.
His family line goes back
to the early years of your nation. But out of you will come
a ruler over Israel for me.
His family line goes back
to the early years of your nation. "

Perhaps someone else Micah was expecting OR campaigning for. The evidence to the contrary (that it has anything to do with Jesus) is right there in black and white.

[Filet Mignon]

Originally Posted by Condemned

Perhaps someone else Micah was expecting OR campaigning for. The evidence to the contrary (that it has anything to do with Jesus) is right there in black and white.

I would agree with you, except for the fact that there seems to have been no other historically important figure (post Davidic) that ever came out of Bethlehem.

Do you have somebody else in mind (I'm not asking this facetiously, but honestly) as the object of Micah 5:2?

[Fred314X]

Originally Posted by kdbrich

Yeah...it does describe Christ. A ruler will come from Bethlehem.

Who else does it apply to, if not Jesus?

OK, I'm not trying to incite controversy, but since you asked this question, I have one in response: wasn't Jesus from Nazareth, and not Bethlehem?

[kdbrich]

He was born in Bethlehem. He then moved to Nazareth at a later time.

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

No doubt to me, it's Jesus. Micah accurately predicted His birthplace hundreds of years before Jesus was born. This chapter provides one the clearest OT prophecies of Jesus' coming. verse 5 "And He will be the source of our peace".
And Jesus said in John 14:27 "I am leaving you with a gift, peace of mind and heart. And the peace I give isn't like the world gives. So don't be troubled or afraid".

[Huckleberry3911948]

there were those who doubted the messiah then. why should that be different now?
doubt is that big hole in us, that big empty feeling. evidence does not fill it ever.