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Old 01-05-2009, 09:18 PM
 
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Last time I checked, it is really difficult to have a religion that does not have a theistic entity somewhere in their belief structure.
Have you checked since 1957? Are you familiar with Torcaso v. Watkins or Washington Ethical Society v. District of Columbia?
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Have you checked since 1957? Are you familiar with Torcaso v. Watkins or Washington Ethical Society v. District of Columbia?
Why? Did they decide that evolution was a religion?
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:33 PM
 
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If evolution is a religion, who is their god?
Nature.
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:35 PM
 
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Why? Did they decide that evolution was a religion?
No, they decided that religion…
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does not have [have to have] a theistic entity somewhere in their belief structure.
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:37 PM
 
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Here ya go...Educate yourself. I don't have the time or inclination because I'm pretty sure you won't accept what I tell you anyway.

HowStuffWorks "What is a fossil?"
fossilization process began when a plant or animal died and was quickly covered with sediments, usually at the bottom of a body of water. The loose sediments protected the bodily remains from the elements, bacteria and other forces that cause weathering and decay. This slowed the decaying process down so that some of the remains (in most cases, only hard material like bone or shell) were preserved for thousands of years. During this time, sediment layers continued to collect above the bone. Eventually, these sediment layers became hard, solid rock.

Fossilization is a rapid process The organism must be buried quickly. For this to happen, the organism normally must die in abnormal conditions such as in a flood, volcano eruption or an earthquake. Otherwise it is near impossible for an animal to be preserved;

The organism must be kept from normal decay. If the animal is exposed to oxygen or bacteria, they will quickly start to decay;

The organism must be buried in matter that is leached with mineral-rich waters where carbonates are precipitating. These minerals will replace the original tissue, so that a stone remains in the shape of the original tissue.

my point is dinosaurs are not as old as the carbon dating proves, they died during the Noah's ark flood to prove that, is fossilization process is rapid that a buried carcass well preserved would take over 40years. the have been some discoveries of human fossil that dated back to the dinosaur era and they(evolutionist/scientist) have even discovered dinosaurs intestines, blood, tissue, and cells. But evolutionist would never tell you that, because it debunks the theory of evolution, because it would trigger other questions. see why evolution is a religion

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Old 01-05-2009, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Western Cary, NC
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Religion is not defined on the sole basis or requirement of the recognition of theistic deity, quality or nature.
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“A religion is a set of stories, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to an ultimate power or reality.”

That ultimate power is what you call god, so unless you want to change the definition of Religion you need to find the god for the religion of evolution. .
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Old 01-05-2009, 09:52 PM
 
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fossilization process began when a plant or animal died and was quickly covered with sediments, usually at the bottom of a body of water. The loose sediments protected the bodily remains from the elements, bacteria and other forces that cause weathering and decay. This slowed the decaying process down so that some of the remains (in most cases, only hard material like bone or shell) were preserved for thousands of years. During this time, sediment layers continued to collect above the bone. Eventually, these sediment layers became hard, solid rock.

Fossilization is a rapid process The organism must be buried quickly. For this to happen, the organism normally must die in abnormal conditions such as in a flood, volcano eruption or an earthquake. Otherwise it is near impossible for an animal to be preserved;

The organism must be kept from normal decay. If the animal is exposed to oxygen or bacteria, they will quickly start to decay;

The organism must be buried in matter that is leached with mineral-rich waters where carbonates are precipitating. These minerals will replace the original tissue, so that a stone remains in the shape of the original tissue.

my point is dinosaurs are not as old as the carbon dating proves, they died during the Noah's ark flood to prove that, is fossilization process is rapid that a buried carcass well preserved would take over 40years. the have been some discoveries of human fossil that dated back to the dinosaur times and the have even discovered dinosaurs intestines, blood, tissue, and cells. But evolutionist would never tell you that. see why evolution is a religion
Fossilization is not a rapid process. It takes millions of years for bones to mineralize

That is just your myth, not mine..Paleontologists will tell you about what ever they discover
.In any case on the rare occasion soft tissue and skin etc. are preserved as in the case of Leonardo.

When he died, Leonardo was a 22-foot-long (seven meters) teenager, weighing between 1.5 to 2 tons. He sported polygonal, five-sided scales that ranged from the size of a BB (airgun pellet) to the size of a dime, and soft-tissue structures on his back suggest that he had a little sail frill running up it.

Scales and tissue parts have been found on less than one-tenth of one percent of all dinosaurs excavated. Leonardo's fossilized skeleton is about 90 percent covered in soft tissue, including skin, muscle, nail material, and a beak.

Skin impressions have been found on the underside of the skull and all along the neck, ribcage, legs, and left arm.

"Mummified" Dinosaur Discovered In Montana
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Old 01-05-2009, 10:00 PM
 
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Why do the religious insist on telling atheists what they (the atheist) believes? There are many ways to prove the differences between evolution as science vs creationism as religion but frankly it is not worth the effort anymore as sanspeur stated. We'll just go in circles again.

But if evolution is religion, then what science should we be teaching in school? Certainly not geology or astronomy or probably not biology or chemistry. Maybe physics?

I'm like a broken record, but history is not on your side in this battle. Your religion will eventually accept evolution and your religious leaders will "interpret" your Bible to mean something different once again.
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Old 01-05-2009, 10:01 PM
 
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From Wikipedia:
“A religion is a set of stories, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to an ultimate power or reality.”

That ultimate power is what you call god, so unless you want to change the definition of Religion you need to find the god for the religion of evolution. .
Deliberately ignoring my answer, cncracer? That ultimate power or reality is the God . . . "Nature."

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Old 01-05-2009, 10:02 PM
 
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From Wikipedia:
“A religion is a set of stories, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to an ultimate power or reality.”

That ultimate power is what you call god, so unless you want to change the definition of Religion you need to find the god for the religion of evolution. .
Lets look at the dictionary and then address a few of the more specific or difficult examples given.
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re⋅li⋅gion 
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.
6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.
Let's look at a few of these:
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1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe,…
The religion of Evolution believes that the cause, nature and purpose of the universe is purly accidental or by chance. Generally speaking Evolutionists’ rely on Darwin’s theory as a foundation to explain the cause, nature and purpose of the universe.
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2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects:
The fundemental set of beliefs is grounded in Naturalistic Evolution which relys on nature alone to explain everything. The Evolutionists fundamental belief is that nothing is supernatural, in other words everything can be explained by natural law.
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3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
The body of persons adhearing to the Evolutionists’ belief is more often than not identified as Secular Humanists and/or Atheism.
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