Religious question about suicide (America, Muslims, punished, Christianity)

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by braderjoe

I cannot accept that just by accepting Jesus you are guaranteed salvation even if you keep on sinning for the rest of your life. You don't have to do any good whatsover; what is important is that you accept Jesus as God and you are essentially getting a 'Get out of jail' card free! No wonder the christian world has been experiencing a moral crisis with gay churches etc etc virtually anything goes...

I'd rather agree with the Islamic concept of personal responsibilty. You get what you do...you are responsible for your own sins before God. No one bears your sins for you...not Jesus..not the priest..not anyone.

No it's not a get out jail free card Just because I am a Christian does not mean I don't ever sin, I just a saved sinner. But when a person gets saved, their lifestyle, thoughts and actions will change, toward not wanting to sin, wanting to be closer to God, living a Godly life. But when I do sin....1 John 1:9 "But if we confess our sins to Him, He is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us from every wrong".

[robertpolyglot]

This is a very tough question. Suicide is a sin for which you obviously can't repent. At least, that's what my faith tells us.

In the case of the high-rise, you might perish from smoke inhalation or becoming overcome by the intense heat prior to that. I don't have an answer. We can't live our lives thinking about some obscure possibility and one should just hope/pray to "go in your sleep."

[Bigg Mann]

Thanks for all replies so far. This question kind of popped into my head and I was thinking about 911. I try to never forget what happened on that day.
I have put myself in that situation several times (in my mind) and I don't think jumping would be easy way out since I'm am very afraid of heights. I think that suicide would be the last thing on my mind in that I would be praying non stop for forgiveness on whatever and that I would be at peace knowing that I would be in Gods Kingdom soon.

My mother was just diagnosed with terminal cancer on Christmas Eve and it has been a trying time for family since. She has less than 2 months and in my brothers house in Hospice.

My mom has gotten saved in the last 5 yrs. so this is very comforting to her and us. She told me 2 weeks ago the pain has been unberable and she thought of suicide even though she knew it was wrong but now is ready to accept whatever God has planned for her for her transition to come home to his kingdom.

One of her wishes is for my wife and I to get more familiar with God for we never know when it well be our time. Sorry this got alittle off subject but have not been able to talk with anyone about this and it is easier on this forum to do so.

[BST]

Thanks, it takes a Bigg Mann to do what you just did. I'm praying for you and your family.

[MontanaGuy]

g-vegas wrote:

War is not wrong, it is not pleasant, but it is a necessary unpleasantness.

I do believe that war is wrong but it's more complicated than that. The Nazis were wrong to start World War II but the Allies did what they had to do to stop them and were completely justified in doing so. There are many instances in which soldiers have given their lives to save their fellow soldiers and I also don't view this as a normal suicide because there is a purpose to it. I think most parents would also give their life to save their children. Giving up one's own life could happen in many different ways and can't all be viewed as being just a suicide.

[cncracer]

Originally Posted by BST

Having faced my father's death recently, I have a fresh memory of his last days. None of us wanted to hasten his dying...and none of us wanted to prolong his suffering. On the morning he passed away, I had great peace and relief. Those emotions came from my faith and a hope that there is a new life after death.

I can understand that some people demand proof before they believe. But my experience is real enough for me that it's all the proof I need. For me, life beyond the grave is so much more intriguing and positive than the reality we know in the here and now. And if it turns out that it's all been a fairy tale, at least I had great peace and hope on a day that many others would have been miserable. It's a choice I'm happy with.

I am pleased you have you have found a place of peace for yourself; moreover I am pleased you have recognized the possibility of it being a fairy tale. I personally see the fairy tail and cannot live with what I see as a lie and danger to future generations.

I take a different view on death of family and friends than you. I have watched too many suffer with cancer and linger for months in and out of conscious, in pain morphine would not touch. My Grandfather who stood six foot three inches weighed less than 100 pounds when he died; my two Uncles were a carbon copy only taller. Aunts, Parents, Siblings and myself have fought cancer and won, but after watching the last days of those who lost, I don’t know any who would ask one member to hang on even an extra hour, or when the their time comes will do anything to extend the suffering. There are many thing much worst than death, and in many cases death is a gift.
After thinking of this thread most of the afternoon, I think if I could have ended their suffering as they asked day after day I would have. My desire to keep them even one extra day would have been selfish beyond anything I could imagine, and I hope when my day comes my family will remember my desire first and not their fear of losing me.

[BST]

Originally Posted by cncracer

I am pleased you have you have found a place of peace for yourself; moreover I am pleased you have recognized the possibility of it being a fairy tale. I personally see the fairy tail and cannot live with what I see as a lie and danger to future generations.

I take a different view on death of family and friends than you. I have watched too many suffer with cancer and linger for months in and out of conscious, in pain morphine would not touch. My Grandfather who stood six foot three inched weighed less than 100 pounds when he died; my two Uncles were a carbon copy only taller. Aunts, Parents, Siblings and myself have fought cancer and won, but after watching the last days of those who lost, I don’t know any who would ask one member to hang on even an extra hour, or when the their time comes will do anything to extend the suffering. There are many thing much worst than death, and in many cases death is a gift.
After thinking of this thread most of the afternoon, I think if I could have ended their suffering as they asked day after day I would have. My desire to keep them even one extra day would have been selfish beyond anything I could imagine, and I hope when my day comes my family will remember my desire first and not their fear of losing me.

Peace be with you neighbor. While I find my faith could possibly be a fairy tale...I hold onto the belief that the probability of it being true is greater. Having fought cancer and won, I'm sure you've wrestled with thoughts of your own mortality. I hope that when your time does come, you will also possess great peace.

[delusianne]

Originally Posted by braderjoe

I cannot accept that just by accepting Jesus you are guaranteed salvation even if you keep on sinning for the rest of your life. You don't have to do any good whatsover; what is important is that you accept Jesus as God and you are essentially getting a 'Get out of jail' card free! No wonder the christian world has been experiencing a moral crisis with gay churches etc etc virtually anything goes...

I'd rather agree with the Islamic concept of personal responsibilty. You get what you do...you are responsible for your own sins before God. No one bears your sins for you...not Jesus..not the priest..not anyone.

That just shows that though you insist people "really study" the Qur'an, you are ignorant of the Christian New Testament. You dont have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

Why not study, I mean really study, the New Testament?

[aerotallica]

Originally Posted by Bigg Mann

Since suicide is considered a sin, what is it if you were in a burning highrise building and no way out, do you jump out window and commit suicide or stay and suffer immensely.

In Gods eyes is it really suicide?

Well this is my opinion.IF there is a god you wouldn't have to worry about having to commit suicide would you? He or she would put out the flames or whatever to help you.I'm sorry but after 9/11 I lost what faith I had.

[JessE86]

After reading this entire thread, I came to this conclusion.. you are all doing exactly what the pharasses and sadduciees did.. you are reasoning among yourselvs.. What does the bible say ???

366 times, the bible says do not worry. (it is a sin) we cannot add or change anything by worrying. yet we still do.

There are two suicides in the bible !! how come no one brought that up ???

One went to heaven, the other is damned forever !!

Jesus died for ALL my sins.. not just some of them !!!

It just might surprise you, what the bible says about sin, it is plain and simple.

sin is sin !! there are no differences between stealing, rape, murder, lying
(in GOD'S EYES) BUT THERE IS ONE SIN that is called the great transgression.. .. it does more damage than all other sins combined.. do you know what that SIN IS ???

....................Psalm 19 - check it out.. presumption !!