Religion of peace at it again (America, church, Islamic, Muslims)

[sailordave]

Compass Direct News=
After months of legal deadlock, lawyers in Pakistan said they have new hope they can restore to her family a 13-year-old Christian girl who was kidnapped and forced to marry a Muslim.
Saba Masih might be returned to her family, the lawyers said, if they can legally maneuver around Pakistani policemen who have stonewalled their attempts to pursue a kidnapping case against the captors. On Saturday (Feb. 21) a Pakistani judge charged the suspects with kidnapping for the first time in the seven-month legal ordeal.

Attorney Goshe, a Muslim, said the three kidnappers trespassed onto the property of Yunus Masih, the father of Saba, and threatened to kill his family and burn down his house in late December.
The decision to file kidnapping charges marks a major shift of momentum in the case. In previous hearings judges have nearly always sided with the kidnappers – based on either dubious evidence or threats from local Islamists – in the Muslims’ legal battle to retain custody of Saba and her 10-year-old sister Aneela. A court ruled the younger daughter could return to her family last September. The two girls were kidnapped in June 2008 while traveling to visit their uncle in Sarwar Shaheed, northwest of Multan. Saba was married to Ali the next day. Bajwa and Ali registered a case with police on June 28 for custody of the girls based on their alleged conversion to Islam. The court granted them custody in July

At nearly all the hearings, Muslim groups protested outside the courtroom against lawyers attempting to return Saba to her Christian parents. A traditional interpretation of Islamic law (sharia) does not allow non-Muslim parents to have custody of Muslim children. In spite of the judge’s decision to begin procedures for kidnapping charges, Chawk Munda police have not followed through with the FIR by arresting the three Muslims. Today the judge contacted the local police station and ordered officers to register the kidnapping case against the three men, Goshe told Compass. He said he hopes police will file the FIR within the next few days.

Kidnapping and rape victims in Pakistan are often Christians, since the influence of sharia on the country’s judicial system means they can be unofficially treated as second-class citizens.
Last month Muslims allegedly abducted and raped another 13-year-old Christian girl. CLAAS reported that two men kidnapped Ambreen Masih in the industrial city of Sheikupura, located northwest of Lahore. Her attackers threatened to her keep silent, and she was abducted a second time this month before her parents discovered the crime, according to a CLAAS report. The family filed rape charges against the two kidnappers in Sheikupura, but policeman have not yet taken legal action, according to CLAAS.

[kdbrich]

i'd love to hear what the islamic folks on this board think of that.


moonsun? you here?

[MontanaGuy]

I don't doubt what you're saying although I haven't heard about this particular case until now. Pakistan is probably the most unstable nation in the world at this point in time according to American analysts who are concerned with the prospect of civil unrest and conflict in that nation that has nuclear weapons. Extreme religious beliefs are at the heart of this instability and of course the potential conflict with India, another nuclear power, is always a factor in this instability. It's widely known that being a Christian in this particular part of the world can be extremely dangerous.

[bluepacific]

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

I don't doubt what you're saying although I haven't heard about this particular case until now. Pakistan is probably the most unstable nation in the world at this point in time according to American analysts who are concerned with the prospect of civil unrest and conflict in that nation that has nuclear weapons. Extreme religious beliefs are at the heart of this instability and of course the potential conflict with India, another nuclear power, is always a factor in this instability. It's widely known that being a Christian in this particular part of the world can be extremely dangerous.

I think what you stated in my highlighting above, could also equally illustrate that the social climate of "Dark Ages" Christendom of olde medieval Europe. Of all the the places earth and time periods I was ever curious about visiting if I had such a device as a time machine, I have always felt I would have avoided Medieval Europe. The extremism, radicalism, the zero tolerance for being against any belief or idea outside the Church approved authority would definitely put me at odds. I would have stood out like a sore thumb as they say.

Although I would have liked to have spent brief moments with a William Tyndale or a Galileo Galilei. I can only imagine how miserable moments in their life were at times. I think the only thing that helped them keep their sanity even in the face of death, is their core belief in the truth. Ultimately Tyndale was strangled and burned at the state by religious zealots. But you have to admire men/women of history who pursued a measure of the truth , even though that truth resulted in their death. Most human nature comprimises and runs away when confronted with a human failing of "Fear of man" and opting for self preservation over principle. Still the modern day Pakistani example hits home and illustrates beautifully to what Europe once was.

You also have to wonder why, in view of Christendom's own terrible history, why in this forum the use of the terminolgy for anything Islamic "The Religion of Peace" would be used in here in it's purposed intent of condescending put down. Sounds like a Glass House thingy gingy!

[effie g-tad]

Originally Posted by bluepacific

I think what you stated in my highlighting above, could also equally illustrate that the social climate of "Dark Ages" Christendom of olde medieval Europe. Of all the the places earth and time periods I was ever curious about visiting if I had such a device as a time machine, I have always felt I would have avoided Medieval Europe. The extremism, radicalism, the zero tolerance for being against any belief or idea outside the Church approved authority would definitely put me at odds. I would have stood out like a sore thumb as they say.

Although I would have liked to have spent brief moments with a William Tyndale or a Galileo Galilei. I can only imagine how miserable moments in their life were at times. I think the only thing that helped them keep their sanity even in the face of death, is their core belief in the truth. Ultimately Tyndale was strangled and burned at the state by religious zealots. But you have to admire men/women of history who pursued a measure of the truth , even though that truth resulted in their death. Most human nature comprimises and runs away when confronted with a human failing of "Fear of man" and opting for self preservation over principle. Still the modern day Pakistani example hits home and illustrates beautifully to what Europe once was.

thank you for this insightful post (as well as many others). there is so much more to this "evolution" and development than should but can be "openly" evaluated.