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Old 03-31-2009, 11:52 AM
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Cool Is Islam maybe closer to Sikhdom or after-all to Christianity?

The reason I ask this is the concept of Love which in Christian methodology is for conceiving of the notion of freedom against any justifiable explanation of violence, OR WHAT the unbelievers (so-called in Mohammedism) might call "fighting". The concept of rift and violence to our neighbour may be somewhat a Sikh or anti-christian way. The settling of justice is to be realized it would seem now as something rather more unfree. And it is not a virtuous progressive thing anyway. Is "fightïng" rather than Loving a form of duty to be accomplished by an act that God could give assistance to, or is it an ultimatum, the Christian way (I believe God would not share in our Freedom), either God or I?
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Sikhism as we know it today is the result of the teachings of the ten Gurus, the first of which was Guru Nanak (1469-1539) and the tenth and last of which was Guru Gobind Singh (1666-1708).
Guru Nanak spread a simple message: "We are all one, created by the One Creator of all Creation." There is no definitive biography of Guru Nanak, though there have been many attempts to write the story of his life by his devotees after his death.
After Guru Nanak’s death in September 1539, his Hindu followers thought him to be a Hindu and his Muslim followers thought him to be a Muslim. That is to say, both Muslims and Hindus viewed him from the perspective of their respective faiths.
It was the tenth Guru, Gobind Singh, who organized the community of Sikhs into a khalsa — "a spiritual brotherhood devoted to purity of thought and action." He taught his followers to wear long hair (kesh, denoting saintly appearance), underwear (kachha, denoting self-control), iron bangle (kara, denoting purity in acts), comb (kangha, denoting cleanliness of mind and body), and sword (kirpan, denoting fight for a just cause).
The Sikh scripture called the Adi Granth (called respectfully as Guru Granth Sahib) is considered the Supreme Spiritual Authority and Head of the Sikh religion, rather than any living person. It contains the works of not only the ten Gurus but also the hymns by sufis like Sheikh Farid (1175 - 1265) and Sheikh Bhikan (who died during the early part of Akbar’s reign).

From the foregoing, we understand the following :
Guru Nanak was a religious reformer at best; he was not the founder of any new religion.
Sikhism is the creation of the Gurus, particularly of Guru Gobind Singh, whose compositions and innovations form the content and the framework of the new religion
The scripture of Sikhism is not any revelation from God but only the compositions of the Gurus as well as those of certain Muslim and Hindu mystics. For this reason, there is no meaning in talking about the authenticity of the book as a Divine Revelation. Because neither the book nor the authors claim it to have been revealed by God.

So as you can see my dear tgnostic...Islam is not closer to Sikkism..
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They may listen to the same Indian music but the sikhs in India (many of them in the army) and muslims of Pakistan are not at all the best of friends. In India, it is quite common to see hindus and sikhs to visit each other's places of worship and inter-marry. Punjab, a state in India where a vast majority of the sikhs reside, is on the border of Pakistan. So, OP, even from a "social" standpoint, I am guessing most sikhs might disagree with you.
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They may listen to the same Indian music but the sikhs in India (many of them in the army) and muslims of Pakistan are not at all the best of friends. In India, it is quite common to see hindus and sikhs to visit each other's places of worship and inter-marry.
Yes you are right. You see after the death of Guru Nanak & maybe the first 1 or 2 Gurus, his muslim students probably drifted away. The later Gurus were from the Hindu elements which is why they started to adhere to the 5 'K' rule. The concept of re-incarnation, which is a Hindu belief, was introduced etc. The irony regarding the sikhs and the pakistanis is that both are of Punjab origins ie same blood different religion - something akin to North Ireland / Republic of Ireland
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... The irony regarding the sikhs and the pakistanis is that both are of Punjab origins ie same blood different religion - something akin to North Ireland / Republic of Ireland
In that region, religion has also divided Bengalis - West Bengal (India) and Bangladesh (formerly East Pakistan).
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In that region, religion has also divided Bengalis - West Bengal (India) and Bangladesh (formerly East Pakistan).
I guess God is thicker than blood eh
For a liberal redneck you sure know much about the indian subcontinent affairs

(my apologies...just joking)
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I guess God is thicker than blood eh
For a liberal redneck you sure know much about the indian subcontinent affairs

(my apologies...just joking)
I used to travel a lot - was in India in 2007 and a few other times. Will be there again this summer for a week.
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I used to travel a lot - was in India in 2007 and a few other times. Will be there again this summer for a week.
lucky you...travel does open up eyes and minds... once again...lucky you..if you haven't been there before..try to get to Kashmir...that's a lovely piece of property there
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interesting thread.
as always, i would seek contents and meanings of thought, background and traditions before i join a discussion of "historical" facts having caused belief and followership.

debate on a forum that's supposed to be all-inclusive? or some insiders trying at imitations of tv talkshows?

i am here to learn before i waste time on opinion-forming.

i googled, and this is what imediately caught my attention and interest:

Sikhism - thy name is Love and Sacrifice

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