Teaching of hell; child abuse? (church, atheist, punishment, God)

[nightflight]

Running from hell | Ubyssey Online

The turning point was one Christmas, when Nate decided to teach his children about God. In the end, his son Tyler began crying in the backseat of the car, saying that he didn’t want to go to hell.
“He wanted to believe because he didn’t want to go to hell,” Nate said. “I was just stunned because I didn’t know what I had said or how I had left him with that fear. I thought I was doing a good job of presenting it without the fear.
“Thinking about it after the fact, I realized you can’t do that. With a young mind it doesn’t matter. You can try as much as you want to talk about how good God is, but the bottom line is there’s this intolerably frightening punishment if you don’t accept it. And how does a young mind deal with that?”

I think it definitely is child abuse, though in fairness parents do it out of good intentions: to save their children from their God's anger. However, it is still abuse. I marvel that the media rarely picks up on this story, which I think is bigger than the sex-abuse scandals of the church.

[Antlered Chamataka]

"You're gonna go to school, learn this difficult thing called Math"

"I don't want strain myself". And the boy cried.

This definitely is child abuse

[Miss Shawn_2828]

It is not child abuse, if you have kids you can teach them anything you want, and if someone has their own kid that did not come from you, then you don't have any say so in what they teach their children.

[zonababe]

Give your kid the gift that keeps on giving.....guilt.

[Antlered Chamataka]

Originally Posted by shawn_2828

It is not child abuse, if you have kids you can teach them anything you want, and if someone has their own kid that did not come from you, then you don't have any say so in what they teach their children.

There was a time when my old man pinched my ear and made me study.

Guess he will go to jail in this world of today

[TakeAhike]

Originally Posted by shawn_2828

It is not child abuse, if you have kids you can teach them anything you want, and if someone has their own kid that did not come from you, then you don't have any say so in what they teach their children.

mmmhmmm--Public schools are now the arena in which this becomes very evident.

[kdbrich]

Originally Posted by nightflight

Running from hell | Ubyssey Online




I think it definitely is child abuse, though in fairness parents do it out of good intentions: to save their children from their God's anger. However, it is still abuse. I marvel that the media rarely picks up on this story, which I think is bigger than the sex-abuse scandals of the church.

I think it's child abuse to raise a kid with no hope, as the atheists do. But that's why the founding fathers gave us freedom of religion--so we could decide.

[Proffhrdkncs]

Originally Posted by kdbrich

I think it's child abuse to raise a kid with no hope, as the atheists do. But that's why the founding fathers gave us freedom of religion--so we could decide.

There is no hope in this life unless it involves a mansion and streets of gold in the afterlife, right?? This is the kind of primitive mindset of reward/punishment conditioning that Ivan Pavlov experimented on his dogs. And we are still teaching this to our kids. Be good boys and girls and you will get your very on mansion in the sky. That is not hope my friend, that is dellusion.

[kdbrich]

Originally Posted by Proffhrdkncs

There is no hope in this life unless it involves a mansion and streets of gold in the afterlife, right?? This is the kind of primitive mindset of reward/punishment conditioning that Ivan Pavlov experimented on his dogs. And we are still teaching this to our kids. Be good boys and girls and you will get your very on mansion in the sky. That is not hope my friend, that is dellusion.

As opposed to living 80 years then being worm food? Having nothing to live for in life except what feels good, then dying?

That's depressing.

[kb09]

Originally Posted by kdbrich

As opposed to living 80 years then being worm food? Having nothing to live for in life except what feels good, then dying?

That's depressing.

Not so much. It just makes you enjoy the life you have now instead of leaving it all up to God and dancing with angel's in an afterlife. I see nothing depressing about it. We live, we die, we become part of the earth (like the rest of the things in nature) and contribute to the next life cycle. If you aren't afraid of death and dying then 'being worm food' after you die isn't too daunting. If anything, it makes people (or at least me) want to live the life I have now to the fullest. Not the other way around.