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Old 05-23-2009, 01:49 PM
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Default Why wouldn’t God kill Herod instead?

Why kill two dozens of innocent babies to save His Child?
Weird is it not?…
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Check your archeological and reputable history: Herod never killed babies. That was a myth. It has been proven, most recently here Matthew's Nativity is charming and frightening... but it's a Jewish myth - Telegraph


There were a number of Jews who hated Herod, mainly and above all else because Herod was given the throne by Rome, a throne which by birth and blood, he had no right to according to jewish clerics and scholars of the time. So naturally, Jews were resentful towards Herod as in their eyes, he had no legitimate right to be the King.

Many stories were written about Herod after his death, and most all have been proven to be untrue, including the one about the slaughter of the innocents. Herod was so hated that jews went out and desecrated his grave after he died even. Making up hate stories was part of the anger and hatred that Jews had towards him. Certainly, fabricating a story about slaughtering innocent infants would be a great way for Post - Herod Jewish writers to immortalize the infamy and hateful nature of this king. What a great way to vent anger onto King Herod.
Now as the above mentioned article states , Herod was Capable of such activities, but again, much of the history about Herod comes from Jewish Clerics and scribes who had an "Anti-Herod" agenda.
So we must keep in mind the source of this myth, which is basically unique to Mathew's Gospel which we know is all myth.

Most important though is the mythic story of having the hero, in this case Jesus, following a path that parrallels an old testament story of Moses (a fictional character BTW) and in Jesus' case, he is rescued by a Pharoah.
Well, Christianity borrows heavily, remember, from Egyptian Mythology, so why wouldn't a pharaoh arise as the great rescuer here?

And since Rome appears as the antagonist to Jesus' mythic journey, Herod thus has to be aligned with Rome in order for Jesus to "cross the threshold" in the mythic journey.

Bottom line is, like most things in the Bible, it never happened.
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Herod did kill babies. We've got recorded history of it happening.

But to answer the OP's question...why not kill Herod? Because by allowing evil to exist, it brings glory to God when he delivers us from it. And it shows his sovereignty to bring the Messiah into the world even in the midst of evil like Herod.
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Interesting, because we have archeological evidence of it NOT happening. As for "recorded history" if you mean the Bibile, then That again is Myth...not fact. No evidence that it happened xists but I like your analogy as to why God would want to allow it to show his Glory, which again falls into the Mythic Hero Journey.
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Herod did kill babies. We've got recorded history of it happening.

But to answer the OP's question...why not kill Herod? Because by allowing evil to exist, it brings glory to God when he delivers us from it. And it shows his sovereignty to bring the Messiah into the world even in the midst of evil like Herod.
We do??? That's news to me.

In addition, the writer of Matthew declares some bogus interpretation of an alleged Old Testament prophecy that had NOTHING whatsoever to do with this fabricated story.
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that would rip off satan. satan needs his workers. god does not work that way he plays fair.
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Interesting, because we have archeological evidence of it NOT happening. As for "recorded history" if you mean the Bibile, then That again is Myth...not fact. No evidence that it happened xists but I like your analogy as to why God would want to allow it to show his Glory, which again falls into the Mythic Hero Journey.

your history of it is biased and wrong. There is no reason to not believe the Bible. It's actually a very sound historical book.
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your history of it is biased and wrong. There is no reason to not believe the Bible. It's actually a very sound historical book.
K-rich, I'm beginning to believe you are not really a Christian and just "speak" like a Christian for kicks. lol

What you said above sounded like it reeked of sarcasm.
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K-rich, I'm beginning to believe you are not really a Christian and just "speak" like a Christian for kicks. lol

What you said above sounded like it reeked of sarcasm.
And your comments are just more of the same....blah blah blah

You guys need to get some new arguments. Do a little research. The Bible is actually a very sound historical book.
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And your comments are just more of the same....blah blah blah

You guys need to get some new arguments. Do a little research. The Bible is actually a very sound historical book.
LOL...

Ok, where's this historical information about Herod killing babies?
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