Convincing Evidence Against God (Commandment, religions, created, best)

[rifleman]

Originally Posted by Mom2Feebs

Um, actually, Evolution=Theory.

Not fact.

Jus' sayin'.

Oh my. Oh please. Not "this" again? The errant conflation of colloquial understanding of the word "theory" with the scientific use and proper understanding of the word. Sigh.

Well, perhaps this is as good a time as any to find, once and for all, that well-worded review of the mis-understanding of this term that is so ardently mis-used by desperado Christians.

In a nutshell, though, "theory" does NOT mean what you take it to mean when scientists discuss ideas. In the case of Evolution, to purposefully demean it with this common mis-quote is to show one's immense lack of scientific literacy. So, here's some free help!

"Words have precise meanings in science. For example, 'theory', 'law', and 'hypothesis' don't all mean the same thing. Outside of science, you might say something is 'just a theory', meaning it's supposition that may or may not be true. In science, a theory is an explanation that generally is accepted to be true. Here's a closer look at these important, commonly misused terms."

Going further, the author clarifies:

"Basically, if evidence accumulates to support an hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis."

from: Scientific Hypothesis, Theory, Law Definitions

or, from:

Scientific theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In the humanities we find theories whose subject matter does not (only) concern empirical data, but rather ideas. Such theories are in the realm of philosophical theories as contrasted with scientific theories. A philosophical theory is not necessarily scientifically testable through experiment."

Finally, this link, which perhaps best expresses in greater detail the huge distinction between the errant mis-use by the general public (and, in this case, Christians looking for a way out of the corner they're in...) and the scientific definition:

Theory (Scientific vs layman’s definition) « Rodibidably

It rather clearly details where the differences lay.
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In other words, the Christian fundamentalist-apologist's hopeful definition, the nonsense statment that "It's ONLY a theory, and scientists themselves will "admit" to that!" is simply a blatant (but tired) last-ditch attempt to debunk the accepted "theory" (aka: facts) of Evolution. The only part that is still generally under continuing consideration is exactly how it expresses itself in many different and complex ways in the real world, to achieve exactly what it did, in fact, achieve.

Remember, MomtoFeebs, that all the components, the chemical and genetic complexities and the processes, have been discovered, defined, documented and observed under both lab and field conditions. That part's undeniable. We know exactly how it functions and can demo it to you or anyone, any time. In fact, any highschooler can do that.

So; we have the proven underlying mechanisms, and then we predict and find the expected results in the field, and we also go on to see the consequences in both modern and now-extinct animals.

In the simplest terms; it's an established fact. It's exactly how we, as a distinct and funtionally unique organism, got here.

There's absolutely not "theorizing", as in, "guessing", going on any more. The evidence is on the table. You can choose to ignore it and walk away, remaining blissfully ignorant of the logic and truth of it, or you can read, learn and become scientifically enlightened.

I'd assume you'd willingly choose the later [enlightened] option, no?

[Dusty Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Nikk

There is nothing that would cause me to change my presuposition, my axiom: God exists and my secondary axiom: Jesus Christ is God, the Messiah and my third axiom: The bible is the inerrant word of God.

Just like you might have as an axiom: There is no God and Evolution is the mechanism that expains what we see in the world around us.

An axiom is the basic unprovable truths that each one of us accepts. Once they are formed it is very difficult to change. For me it is impossible, because I have seen Jesus and I have gone to heaven and I have seen the veil of this natural world pulled away and I can see the supernatural world. Just like neo, I no longer see this world just all the streaming binary numbers and code(of the spirit world). And no, I do not use drugs, I do not meditate, I do not go into trances, I do not drink alcohol or smoke anything. Not even one blue little pill (or whatever it was that neo took).

actually evolution only explains living things, not all that is seen.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mom2Feebs
Um, actually, Evolution=Theory.

Not fact.

Jus' sayin'.


Well, in science, being recognized as a theory is a big deal, it is still Einsteins theory of relativity, most people have no argument with Newton and his theory of gravitation, it is still just a theory about atomic weights and the chemical makeup of the universe (our atmosphere is 80% other gasses and 20% Oxygen, but, that too is just a theory. What about the theory of genetics?, there are several, choose your answer carefully-- We have a planetary theory of our solar system that very few people argue with. The big bang is also a theory, no reputable scientist argues with it, so when you say evolution is a theory, that puts it in with a lot of really high powered neighbors.

[pie in ear]

nevermind...

[pie in ear]

Originally Posted by agnostic soldier

The concept of god is based on cheap magic tricks and tortured logic. The faithful have no evidence, no logic and no facts that could even possibly support their beliefs. This is why they always try and shift the burden of proof to disbelievers. If they have to prove the truth of their beliefs, then they'll see the truth is that their beliefs are nothing more than primitive myths and tall tales.

No one's twisting your arm.



God is a verb, not a noun proper or improper.

R. Buckminster Fuller

[pie in ear]

Originally Posted by Predos

Just a passing thought in reading this statement: If christians believe that there was nothing before creation, wouldn't that mean that there was no "god" either? Or are they going to claim a different definition of nothing?

God can NOT be a part of His creation.

He is the Creator NOT the creation.

He is prior and post to any and everything.

[justme58]

Originally Posted by pie in ear

Am i talking to a human being or a spreadsheet?
NOw you're all guilty and pissy because i said something against the indulgence in the pleasure gawd...oMG!!!!!

Humour does not become you. A bit late in the game to try now.

We're not talking about who does it right or who does it wrong. We're talking about being judged for what is right and what is wrong.

I do more wrong than right. I'm aware of it.

I am glad you recognize your own weaknesses. Problem is, you now want to project those on everyone else, but that is par for the course for you xians.

Oh and BTW, how do you know exactly for what one will be judged (assuming for a moment that were a reality)

Atheists don't seem to recognize any culpability in their actions...especially if pleasure is first and foremost.

So all atheists are pleasure seeking, whoring, drug using ad nausium...? Actually we are probably more responsible as we do not have a convenient opt out to ask some invisible, intangible diety to forgive us.

THere is nothing wrong with pleasure in itself. It's when it becomes the goal and objective. THat is beneath the dignity of a human being.

So now the goal of all atheists is to seek out pleasure and go ape-s#!t? See this is where your argument falls flat on its face. You are trying to put us all into one cute lil' box which ironically fits all your personal weaknesses/human frailties

If one can not see anything or consider anything above him in status than he will not aim for it and will go the way of all material life....degeneration.

Yeah, sky daddies are a bit of a misnomer to try and please since they never make an appearance in any shape or form. But how exactly does that lead to us becoming degenerates?

Let me guess.

Do not lay up treasures on earth where rust and moth can destroy...

Do you own a house? Car? Sell it all and give it to the poor, I mean after all that is in your bible too is it not?

We are often told by you folk not to judge xianity by the actions of a few yet there does not seem to be a problem in trying to place us heathen all in a proverbial box - which I reiterate just so happens to be the box that contains all your weaknesses and human frailties.

[sarahkate_m]

theory..... hmmm... okay it all boils down to theory. so we have theory based on hearsay that seems tangible to the listeners. we have theory based on tangible observation. everyone argues whose theory is more tangible & why. the evidence to argue over is overwhelming!

tsk tsk. *g* i hope we all have a good week where we represent ourselves to the world as the creative loving people we all are, underneath our theories.

the sun is shining!

kate

[pie in ear]

Originally Posted by justme58

Humour does not become you. A bit late in the game to try now.
I am glad you recognize your own weaknesses. Problem is, you now want to project those on everyone else, but that is par for the course for you xians.

Oh and BTW, how do you know exactly for what one will be judged (assuming for a moment that were a reality)

So all atheists are pleasure seeking, whoring, drug using ad nausium...? Actually we are probably more responsible as we do not have a convenient opt out to ask some invisible, intangible diety to forgive us.

So now the goal of all atheists is to seek out pleasure and go ape-s#!t? See this is where your argument falls flat on its face. You are trying to put us all into one cute lil' box which ironically fits all your personal weaknesses/human frailties

Yeah, sky daddies are a bit of a misnomer to try and please since they never make an appearance in any shape or form. But how exactly does that lead to us becoming degenerates?

Let me guess.

Do not lay up treasures on earth where rust and moth can destroy...

Do you own a house? Car? Sell it all and give it to the poor, I mean after all that is in your bible too is it not?

We are often told by you folk not to judge xianity by the actions of a few yet there does not seem to be a problem in trying to place us heathen all in a proverbial box - which I reiterate just so happens to be the box that contains all your weaknesses and human frailties.

You've put yourself in a box more than I ever could. Just read your post.

To find out about what you will be judged read the ten commandments and 25th chapter of Matthew.

Not sure what your skydaddy is but I'm sorry he doesn't appear or make you happy. Maybe if you gave up one of your most common indulgences like putting your self up as god, he may come to you....just a thought.

[pie in ear]

Originally Posted by sarahkate_m

theory..... hmmm... okay it all boils down to theory. so we have theory based on hearsay that seems tangible to the listeners. we have theory based on tangible observation. everyone argues whose theory is more tangible & why. the evidence to argue over is overwhelming!

tsk tsk. *g* i hope we all have a good week where we represent ourselves to the world as the creative loving people we all are, underneath our theories.

the sun is shining!

kate

Folks. You're not getting it. No one is claiming to believe ANYTHING based on hearsay or theory or even proof. That won't do it.
You will not - can not - believe until you are drawn in by the Father.

[justme58]

Originally Posted by pie in ear

You've put yourself in a box more than I ever could. Just read your post.

To find out about what you will be judged read the ten commandments and 25th chapter of Matthew.

Not sure what your skydaddy is but I'm sorry he doesn't appear or make you happy. Maybe if you gave up one of your most common indulgences like putting your self up as god, he may come to you....just a thought.

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Oh and BTW, where exactly did I claim I was a gawd?

As for your famous ten commandments, they are plagiarized from the Egyptian book of the dead, try keep up will you.