Why are you an Atheist today? (prophets, priests, pray, believers)

[moetman]

People, I posted an opinion and quoted my sources in response to this thread. People saw fit to flag my post and remove it from the thread.

This board is no longer a vessel for freedom of speech.

I wish you all the very best, good luck in the future, I can no longer support the forum.

[broadbill]

Originally Posted by moetman

People, I posted an opinion and quoted my sources in response to this thread. People saw fit to flag my post and remove it from the thread.

This board is no longer a vessel for freedom of speech.

I wish you all the very best, good luck in the future, I can no longer support the forum.

I read your post before it was deleted and am calling shenanigans on you quoting your sources. If your post was flagged erroneously then the moderator would have kept your post in the thread....what does that tell you about your deleted post????

[moetman]

I gave you: author/s, article name, date, journal, page number for my quotes. I didn't have to do that and nobody else on this thread did that.

I'm not exactly sure how this constitutes shenanigans.

Nevertheless, I have obviously offended. Not sure which rule/s I have broken. I guess you really aren't open to any views other than your own.

Good bye and God bless.

[broadbill]

Originally Posted by moetman

I gave you: author/s, article name, date, journal, page number for my quotes. I didn't have to do that and nobody else on this thread did that.

I'm not exactly sure how this constitutes shenanigans.

Nevertheless, I have obviously offended. Not sure which rule/s I have broken. I guess you really aren't open to any views other than your own.

Good bye and God bless.

The "experiment" you posted was a complete cut/paste job from answersingenesis.org here is the link to another thread with the SAME info in it:

Evolution and Creation debate.

The journal articles you cited were indeed correctly cited, but they were also a cut/paste job from answersingenesis.org.

Complain and moan all you want, but it was the moderator that deleted the post because it was copyright infringement (PS...read the sticky before posting you were in violation of CD ToS ...hint: you can link sources of information, you can't cut/paste).

Spare us to rhetoric about us being insensitive to others views....that is clearly not true for folks to choose to participate in a discussion board.

[MrBlueSky_]

Originally Posted by moetman

People, I posted an opinion and quoted my sources in response to this thread. People saw fit to flag my post and remove it from the thread.

This board is no longer a vessel for freedom of speech.

I wish you all the very best, good luck in the future, I can no longer support the forum.

When has this forum ever been a vessel for freedom of speech? It is obvious this entire website is run by brownshirts for the conservative religious right.

[JustNobody]

I've responded only to the first post and in general have only glanced at a few of the other posts.
"How on earth will you be an atheist today"?
I choose radical honesty over blind faith and that honesty is secure enough to admit not knowing. Being of a science minded individual, I would say I lean more towards an atheism mind frame. To clarify, I neither confirm or deny the existence of any deist, any God or gods, as any such confirmal or denial would be merely a thought process and thus only relative to the reality in which said thought process exists. Basically to clarify further, people believe what they believe because of their environment and reasoning processings(which uses beliefs, which are acquired from environment). If you're raised a Christian, you'll be a Christian, well probably. If you're raised without education, you'd probably fall prey to superstitious beliefs.

"During this time when science itself is discovering the unexplainable"
Science doesn't discover anything. Individuals use the beliefs and rules inherent within the scientific system in order to discover "truths" with varying degrees of certainty. Basically the cardinal rule of science is that the universe is governed by math and that via investigation we can figure out how the world/universe works. Oh, and if you are explaining the unexplainable, then it really wasn't unexplainable, was it?

"Why would our consciousness spontaneously happen"?
-good question. But I haven't really found any satisfactory explanation within the mainstream, atheism or deist, so. The planets and such order themselves the way they do because of field effects. It is a little more complicated than just gravity. Electrical fields and solar(light) radiation also have their role and space also seems to have certain properties that account for the motion of the spheres.

"Why would we ourselves be an accident"?
Are you talking about the formation of life? Could you be clearer? If talking about life, then life seeks greater and freer expressions of itself and that manifests as evolution. Humanity is a natural conclusion. You don't really need a deity to do what life can do naturally on its own.

"when our thoughts operate as antennas generating at different frequencies"
-a theory you have, could you explain what you mean

"why is there the law of gravity and the polarities of atoms"?
If you are looking for a why, scientific individuals have yet to explain the ultimate why. But however if you are looking more specifically, then forces happen under certain conditions and they attempt to acheive some "balance" and they work predictable. Perhaps you should consult a book on physics - you might find it enlightening. As far as gravity, when you are dealing with two masses, they like to stick together, so they have a field around matter and objects are accelerated until they stick together. Simple enough, yes. Polarities- assuming you are talking about electrical polarities, they can happen for any number of reasons. Basically atoms have these things called charges that are capable of producing electrical and magnetic fields. And when they are near each other they can interact and that can create polarities. Also the absorption, reflection and refraction of light by a charge can change the velocity of that charge which can give rise to a polarity.

"Scientist can't even create life but you still believe we spontaneously happen, life gives life i thought you knew"
-Well it depends on what you mean by create life. Scientists may not be able to create life from purely organic matter via random processes, ie ones they believed to exist back a long time ago. Well not yet at least, but they are getting close. They aren't all-knowing and to be honest, I think they are handicatting themselves, but I guess they like a challenge. These things take times. And yes, it can be done. It is purely a mathematical problem and will be figured out eventually. However they are able to create new species of life via genetic engineering, so in a sense, they can create life.

"i thought you knew wisdom comes from the higher source...accident cannot govern itself"
Your thoughts are disorganized and you are making up stuff. You are trying to take a bunch of different thoughts together and acheive some point, but you failed. But, anyways, life does what it does best, live, and the earth goes around the sun according to mathematical principles. I don't see any accident in that. But I cannot conclude anything of which I do not have proof or awareness of and in least in the reality in which is seen by the 5 physical senses, I haven't noticed any order of life higher than human life. So basically in the realm of the 5 senses, no deity exists. And if you believe in the 10 commandments, one of them states thou shalt not lie. And to say a deity(God, gods, etc.) exists when one has no awareness of one is a lie. To say a deity might exists is a theory(not a scientific theory mind you). However if you perhaps have some scientific evidence of a deity, then perhaps, it could be upgraded to scientific theory.

"There is a cause for a everything..."
Nothing wrong with causes. Life seeks perfection, control, understanding, but you don't need a deity in order for life to do what it does naturally. This "consciousness" or life can account for all these things.

[jackdonekings]

Originally Posted by JustNobody

I choose radical honesty over blind faith and that honesty is secure enough to admit not knowing. Being of a science minded individual, I would say I lean more towards an atheism mind frame. To clarify, I neither confirm or deny the existence of any deist, any God or gods, as any such confirmal or denial would be merely a thought process and thus only relative to the reality in which said thought process exists. Basically to clarify further, people believe what they believe because of their environment and reasoning processings(which uses beliefs, which are acquired from environment). If you're raised a Christian, you'll be a Christian, well probably. If you're raised without education, you'd probably fall prey to superstitious beliefs.

Not quite, many educated people claim to have knowledge of a higher being that governs the universe despite having spent years studying physics and biology. These are not superstitious beliefs, but cosmic laws applied as life lessons.

Originally Posted by JustNobody

Science doesn't discover anything. Individuals use the beliefs and rules inherent within the scientific system in order to discover "truths" with varying degrees of certainty. Basically the cardinal rule of science is that the universe is governed by math and that via investigation we can figure out how the world/universe works. Oh, and if you are explaining the unexplainable, then it really wasn't unexplainable, was it?

Science unveils truth through discovery, Man did not create science but man discovered by studying it and practicing. There so many things that scientist fail to explain despite having spent centuries unveiling scientific facts and even changing them because other theories contradicted the truth.' Early scientist thought maggots evolved from bacteria yet they made another astonishing discovery when they witness maggots were offspring of flies'

Originally Posted by JustNobody

-good question. But I haven't really found any satisfactory explanation within the mainstream, atheism or deist, so. The planets and such order themselves the way they do because of field effects. It is a little more complicated than just gravity. Electrical fields and solar(light) radiation also have their role and space also seems to have certain properties that account for the motion of the spheres.

Originally Posted by JustNobody

Are you talking about the formation of life? Could you be clearer? If talking about life, then life seeks greater and freer expressions of itself and that manifests as evolution. Humanity is a natural conclusion. You don't really need a deity to do what life can do naturally on its own.

Of course what came first between the egg and the chicken? it is not just a matter of evolution, though dinosaurs existed before the mammals they laid eggs too

("when our thoughts operate as antennas generating at different frequencies" theory you have, could you explain what you mean)

i will surprise you with a thread on this subject

Originally Posted by JustNobody

"why is there the law of gravity and the polarities of atoms"?
If you are looking for a why, scientific individuals have yet to explain the ultimate why. But however if you are looking more specifically, then forces happen under certain conditions and they attempt to acheive some "balance" and they work predictable. Perhaps you should consult a book on physics - you might find it enlightening. As far as gravity, when you are dealing with two masses, they like to stick together, so they have a field around matter and objects are accelerated until they stick together. Simple enough, yes. Polarities- assuming you are talking about electrical polarities, they can happen for any number of reasons. Basically atoms have these things called charges that are capable of producing electrical and magnetic fields. And when they are near each other they can interact and that can create polarities. Also the absorption, reflection and refraction of light by a charge can change the velocity of that charge which can give rise to a polarity.

I am still curious did the atoms just existed like there was never a beginning?

Originally Posted by JustNobody

"Scientist can't even create life but you still believe we spontaneously happen, life gives life i thought you knew"
-Well it depends on what you mean by create life. Scientists may not be able to create life from purely organic matter via random processes, ie ones they believed to exist back a long time ago. Well not yet at least, but they are getting close. They aren't all-knowing and to be honest, I think they are handicatting themselves, but I guess they like a challenge. These things take times. And yes, it can be done. It is purely a mathematical problem and will be figured out eventually. However they are able to create new species of life via genetic engineering, so in a sense, they can create life.

Genetic engineering is not a spontaneous creation it applies to E =MC^2 meaning life only creates life. yet we have all witness it, as nebula the dead star gives birth to other stars and solar systems. animals feeding on living organs nothing survives on nothing.

Originally Posted by JustNobody

"i thought you knew wisdom comes from the higher source...accident cannot govern itself"
Your thoughts are disorganized and you are making up stuff. You are trying to take a bunch of different thoughts together and acheive some point, but you failed. But, anyways, life does what it does best, live, and the earth goes around the sun according to mathematical principles. I don't see any accident in that. But I cannot conclude anything of which I do not have proof or awareness of and in least in the reality in which is seen by the 5 physical senses, I haven't noticed any order of life higher than human life. So basically in the realm of the 5 senses, no deity exists. And if you believe in the 10 commandments, one of them states thou shalt not lie. And to say a deity(God, gods, etc.) exists when one has no awareness of one is a lie. To say a deity might exists is a theory(not a scientific theory mind you). However if you perhaps have some scientific evidence of a deity, then perhaps, it could be upgraded to scientific theory.

I think the point you also made contradicted itself, the world or the universe did not just happened a mathematical or scientific law. The law is there but there was a cause of that law and it was not just a coincidence. it is like foolish educated scientist that claims a comet sped out in space without a cause. Like walking into a computer room and say that 'them computers accidentally appeared and even though they all run by electricity it is still an accident. This accounts to the mathematical and scientific behavior of the universe. Your brain needs help if you thought your argument was arbitrary.

Originally Posted by JustNobody

"There is a cause for a everything..."
Nothing wrong with causes. Life seeks perfection, control, understanding, but you don't need a deity in order for life to do what it does naturally. This "consciousness" or life can account for all these things.

once again your argument is not arbitrary there is a cause for everything read my next thread based on thoughts as frequency

[c'est la vie]

Originally Posted by "Progressive" Liberal

........ Relating to the creation of life, scientists have proved that if you take amino acids (the building blocks of cells and therefore life) and electrically charge them, simple organsims can be the byproduct under certain conditions........

Scientists have never 'proven' any such thing.

Not even close.

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by c'est la vie

Scientists have never 'proven' any such thing.

Not even close.

Not true....They haven't done it yet but science is getting very close.

Scientists Create a Form of Pre-Life | Wired Science | Wired.com

[Dusty Rhodes]

Originally Posted by moetman

There doesn't seem to be anyone willing to bring forward the evidence.

It is not our job to convert anyone. If you have sufficient curiosity, you will read, and study and come to your own opinions. An atheist will not ask you to believe as he does, he will ask that you put thought into your beliefs, and do your own research.