What Is The Christian View On The Dinosaur? (grace, worship, Lord)

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by AxisMundi

Thank you Mr. (Ms.?) Terra.

I thought for a moment the Mormon "Ioun Stone" fraud was being referenced.

Amazing how the biggest frauds in pseudoarcheology never seem to have any archeological related degrees.

It also never fails to amaze me that a proof of a so called "truth" (Young Earthers, Creationists, Biblical Literalists) seems to have to rely on fraud.

Honesty is not in their vocabulary I guess.

[yeshuasavedme]

Originally Posted by Antlered Chamataka

Christian view on the dinosaur.

I have read Genesis cover to cover, several times.

Dinosaur isn't mentioned anywhere.

If this is what you want to hear, you have it.

Dino saur is a modern word. The Bible Word is תנין tanniyn
1) dragon, serpent, sea monster
a) dragon or dinosaur
b) sea or river monster
c) serpent, venomous snake

Gen 1:21 And God created great תנין tanniyn , and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
and the Bahamas are named after them, by a Hebrew speaking Jew who traveled with Columbus.

And בהמה bĕhemah is,
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and בהמה bĕhemah after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

Job 40:15 ¶ Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength [is] in his loins, and his force [is] in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones [are as] strong pieces of brass; his bones [are] like bars of iron.

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[justme58]

Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme

Dino saur is a modern word. The Bible Word is תנין tanniyn
1) dragon, serpent, sea monster
a) dragon or dinosaur
b) sea or river monster
c) serpent, venomous snake

Gen 1:21 And God created great תנין tanniyn , and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
and the Bahamas are named after them, by a Hebrew speaking Jew who traveled with Columbus.

Must be a YEC Concordance - all lies

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good. KJV

H8577
תּנּים תּנּין
tannîyn tannîym
tan-neen', tan-neem'
(The second form used in Eze_29:3); intensive from the same as H8565; a marine or land monster, that is, sea serpent or jackal: - dragon, sea-monster, serpent, whale.

Sorry. no dinos

And בהמה bĕhemah is,
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and בהמה bĕhemah after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.

H929
בּהמה
behêmâh
be-hay-maw'
From an unused root (probably meaning to be mute); properly a dumb beast; especially any large quadruped or animal (often collectively): - beast, cattle.

No dino's

Job 40:15 ¶ Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox. Lo now, his strength [is] in his loins, and his force [is] in the navel of his belly. He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together. His bones [are as] strong pieces of brass; his bones [are] like bars of iron.

Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

H930
בּהמות
behêmôth
be-hay-mohth'
In form a plural of H929, but really a singular of Egyptian derivation: a water ox, that is, the hippopotamus or Nile horse: - Behemoth.

No dino's

Tracking the Sauropod Dinosaur Through the Art of Ancient Peoples

Your coexistence of dino's and humans is a myth to try and counter the overwhelming fossil evidence "science" has over the buybull myths.

Make s**t up as you go along and tweak the texts and concordances to support the lies and if that fails deflect to other cultures artwork as strawman arguments

Oh BTW, a middle east cedar looks like this:


Cedar of Lebanon

not like this:


Great American cedar

[rifleman]

I believe that the accurate count of KNOWN dinosaurian species, or types, is now over 3000. All, apparently, on the Ark. Also, we're asked to believe, by those with no understanding of even the most basic levels of ecology, that all 3000 types were initially vegan, despite the absolute requirement in a diverse environment, of the occupation of all available niches, including meat eating.

For which at least 50% of those dinos were exquisitely adapted (carnivorous dentition, claws, forward-facing predatory eyes, internal digestive biochemistry) and could not simply have "sinned" their way into being instant carnivores (which is also a bit of a put-down on us carnivores to boot, wouldn't you say? We're only here because someone sinned? Nice!)

It's all typical of those revisionist/apologists who try to alter facts & clear evidence to fit their fables. An organism cannot be a grass-munching vegetarian one moment and turn into an effective carnivorous predator the next. That's like asking a giraffe to become an antelope-chasing and eating predator overnight. Sound ridiculous to you? That's because it is.

It's like asking my Ford F350 crewcab diesel pickup 4X4 to turn onto the track at the 2009 Indy 500 and then easily win the race. Because someone ate an apple? What hogwash tripe! But then, being blissfully ignorant of even the most basic aspects of ecology and the typical needs for survival that organisms have results in such assumptive but hugely erroneous rationale.

"God turned all the previously vegan T-Rexs and 3000 other dinosaur types from their prior strictly vegetarian food habits, into fierce carnivores, all because man sinned in The Garden!" Yeah; that's it. That explains all the dinos! Yeah!

And what happened to all of them after that? I mean, all 3000 types that apparently some hardy men saddled up and rode about, all dissappeared in the past 3000 years?? Where, exactly, in your bible, can you conjure up more loose interpretations of where they all disappeared? C'mon now, let's be quick about it!

(Oh, BTW, answer this one: the Chinese, with their 12,000 year old culture, and excellent artwork and writings, do not mention co-existing dinosaurs. They also had scientific exploration when the middle east biblical "scholarly types" were still learning how to calm an excited camel. Why no mention of dinos in their exquisite and accurate writings? And what about that time frame of 12,000 years, which logically also requires that they obvously had a culture that preceeded that by, oh, let's conservatively say another several thousand years.

Oooooopppps to YEC'rs 6035 yr time frame, huh?

ANSWER THESE ONES, if you please.)

Oh god, this is SO SPECTACULARLY RIDICULOUS AND IRRATIONAL, it makes me want to ... I can't say it on C-D.

It's exactly like listening to an Art Linkletter's "Kids Say The Darned Things" episode when he asked them to explain all sorts of things. Utter fanciful nonsense. And all the fundy Christians nod in happy agreement.....

Sigh.....

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by justme58

I get it folks...

Arti-phacts = evidence with this one

Ancient art that accurately depicts dinosaurs should count as evidence with anyone. Especially when this art is duplicated in different areas of the world. This of course would require a common sense approach. And if you have a strong bias view which embraces Evolution. I can understand why you might be blind to the ramifications of such art.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by Fullback32

Ya know, it seems as if that were the case, a non-fossilized skeleton of one would have been found by now, but I guess that would be too much to ask. Carvings are so much better evidence. I'm just saying.

If the Stegosaurus died off 70 million years ago, there should be no carvings of one found on a 900 year old Cambodian Temple today. And according to MSA Encarta, the Stegosaurus lived in the interior of North America, Europe, Africa, and (ASIA). Why would MSA Encarta state they were in Asia, unless they had good evidence that they were there?

[NightBazaar]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

If the Stegosaurus died off 70 million years ago, there should be no carvings of one found on a 900 year old Cambodian Temple today. And according to MSA Encarta, the Stegosaurus lived in the interior of North America, Europe, Africa, and (ASIA). Why would MSA Encarta state they were in Asia, unless they had good evidence that they were there?

The richest finds of stegosaurus fossils have been in the western hemisphere (such as Wyoming in the U.S.), but some have also been found in Europe, Africa and Asia (Southern India and China). A relative to stegosaurs have been found in Australia. So, it's possible steggies roamed Cambodia in SE Asia. However, there have been no stegosaurus fossils found in SE Asia.

I completely agree with you, that there should be no carvings of a stegosaur on an ancient Cambodian temple if steggies became extinct millions of years ago.

That said, I've explained with some detail as to why I don't think the Cambodian carving depicts a stegosaur. Will you briefly explain why you think it does?

[rifleman]

There are some fairly irrefutible laws of physics, nuclear and otherwise, that run this world. Gravity, the decay rate of certain isotopes, the tracks that certain radio-isotopes leave quite reliably in obsidian glass following volcanic events, all quite reliable.

When we check these new-fangled concepts against the oldest known recorded-age artifacts (tombs, carvings, books, recent [<5000 yr old] and mammal/fish/reptile bones, darned if these things don't come up completely accurate. Then, we can utilize two or three of these techniques simultaneously, the ones that utilize entirely different technologies, and dang! The results of dating a single article are all the same.

So. The theory behind the method is sound, someone predicted how it would work, they tested it, and it held water, so to speak. Kinda overwhelmingly convincing, wouldn't you say, nay-sayers? Huh?

Dino bones are one of the things we have tested, re-tested, and then tested again. With different labs, Universities, technicians. And with, you know, the, the exact same equipment that they used an hour earlier to confirm the age of that vase? But, oddly, the dino bones ALL dated out at well over that silly 6035 years. More like 15 million years.

Sure, it's "all wrong". So terribly wrong. Yah gotta agree. (not really, but hey... for the sake of silly discussion) But nontheless, let's go try to force that square peg of fake steggie carvings into the round hole of what we KNOW about dinosaurs, the over 3000 different species.

Now that's a good demo of Christian logic, understanding and theorizing.

So, I say again: why discuss how steggie carvings got onto a temple that's only a thousand years old? Answer: it didn't. It's a fake. Pretty much gotta be, because, try as you might to convince us, dinos didn't ever co-habit the Earth with men. Case proven. At least to rational souls without a pathological need for a literal biblical interpretation.

[Greatest I am]

Originally Posted by hotair2

All Christians do not believe in the literal interpretation of the old testament, especially genesis. There are many fundamentalist that do, but a lot of Christians, such as myself, take it only as good teaching tool and not for history or science. Christianity is about the new covenant found in the new testament.

Was God having to kill so many with the old one getting to Him and forcing Him to change His rules of conduct?

Regards
DL

[Bideshi]

Originally Posted by rifleman

"(Oh, BTW, answer this one: the Chinese, with their 12,000 year old culture, and excellent artwork and writings, do not mention co-existing dinosaurs. .)

They do mention dragons aplenty however...