What best describes reality : Atheism or Theism ? (a good Video'd Debate) (Buddhism, myth)

[RVlover]

Frank Turek vs. Christopher Hitchens: What Best Explains Reality: Theism or Atheism? on Vimeo

In this Round 2 Debate between a seasoned Christian Apologist and an Atheist Defender , there is a wealth of scientific evidence for Creationism presented in a very well reasoned and cogent manner. I decided to post this so the Christian can take great comfort in knowing modern scientific evidences DO point to the The Bible being credible and overwhelmingly in favor of special Creation , which atheism cannot adequately refute .

This video does great justice in showing that the Christians Faith is indeed based on sound reason and rationale ..and not on a blind philosophical belief.

Regards.

[DaniMae1]

There are a lot of people who believe in a creator....but definately not the version that the bible gives.

[RVlover]

Originally Posted by DaniMae1

There are a lot of people who believe in a creator....but definately not the version that the bible gives.

Yes im fully aware of that. Because the Bible can be shown to be inspired of God, that Jesus Christ can be shown to be a real historical Person who fullfilled over 300 narrow Prophecies concerning his coming, life, death, burial, and rising from the dead ... that he claimed to be God in the flesh / performed real eye witnessed miracles that were recorded just a few years after the events / and predicted his resurrection from the dead then accomplished it as recorded shortly after it occured , plus the testified dramatic changed lives from believing in him over the centuries including some of the most hardened criminals ... The Christian Faith is true and the One which should enable the start of a real personal relationship with the Creator of the Cosmos . That doesnt mean that there arent *some elements of truth with the other world religions, as there are ., but none of the others have a Divine Saviour who did what Jesus did and no one has affected the world as much as Jesus Christ has. No one but Jesus said HE alone was the way to God and to Heaven -- the Others only claimed to be a spokesman for God .

The ball is now in OUR court ; we can spend a little bit of time diligently investigating the evidences for the Christian Faith including The Bible with an unbiased Mind and Heart ...or... we can choose not to and hope Christ is the worlds biggest Fraud and go on living our life as we please . Everyone DOES make a choice one way or the other. For those who wish to be honest Seekers, the evidence is readily available in concise form ; the best Source ive found for this is : www.impactapologetics.com Regards.

[Verna Perry]

I just finished watching the entire video, and I just wanted to thank you for sharing it with us. It was very interesting.

[AREQUIPA]

Maybe I'm a bit late but I couldn't get it to play. Anyone got another link?

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by AREQUIPA

Maybe I'm a bit late but I couldn't get it to play. Anyone got another link?

I watched this last evening...Frank Turek is what my great grandmother would have called "a silver tongued devil", and uses the tired old creationist methods of quote mining legitimate science to bolster his case that all science points to a designer...You know...something from nothing...2nd law of thermodynamics....all morals come from christianity...blah blah blah..All easily rebuted by Hitchens

Frank Turek vs. Christopher Hitchens: What Best Explains Reality: Theism or Atheism? on Vimeo

[sanspeur]

A question for the moderator...If this thread has been moved, why is it only found still on the Christianity forum as a moved thread?

[RVlover]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

I watched this last evening...Frank Turek is what my great grandmother would have called "a silver tongued devil", and uses the tired old creationist methods of quote mining legitimate science to bolster his case that all science points to a designer...You know...something from nothing...2nd law of thermodynamics....all morals come from christianity...blah blah blah..All easily rebuted by Hitchens

Frank Turek vs. Christopher Hitchens: What Best Explains Reality: Theism or Atheism? on Vimeo

Im afraid Mr.Hitchens didnt refute ANY of the scientific evidences the Theist presented. Further, the evidence the Theist did present, IS confirmed modern science and he quoted enough sources to substantiate that. If you care to do a little exploration , youd find plenty of corroborating evidence online . But to nearly all atheists , they say as Mr. Hitchen kept repeating on the video :" Nothing is going to convince me !". You see, its not a matter that theres no evidence as we are often told by atheists ; rather, its an act of the WILL that one WONT consider the evidence/do a bit of looking into it/etc... as its more important to maintain the personal philosophical bias which one finds personally appealing .

Yes, the laws of science the Theist brought up, ARE confirmed and Im sure the atheist wish he had such things to draw on to bolster the position of atheism . But they do not. Never in a debate (and ive watched MANY), have i seen an atheist scientifically address the laws of science or the razor precise anthropic Physics Constants required for us to be here. They always skirt around that and often resort to some defaming comment to help brush it off. That is disengenuous. The Theist can take great pleasure in having a Faith thats based on reason , good rationale, and scientific confirmation.

[Boxcar Overkill]

Originally Posted by RVlover

Yes im fully aware of that. Because the Bible can be shown to be inspired of God,...

How is that?

[MrBlueSky_]

Originally Posted by RVlover

Yes im fully aware of that. Because the Bible can be shown to be inspired of God, that Jesus Christ can be shown to be a real historical Person who fullfilled over 300 narrow Prophecies concerning his coming, life, death, burial, and rising from the dead ...
that he claimed to be God in the flesh / performed real eye witnessed miracles that were recorded just a few years after the events / and predicted his resurrection from the dead then accomplished it as recorded shortly after it occured

Except of course, none of these can be demonstrated at all, without mountains of wishful thinking and biased/forced interpretations of the "prophecies".

plus the testified dramatic changed lives from believing in him over the centuries including some of the most hardened criminals ...

Same can be said of Buddhism, Islam, Scientology, New Age, and even atheism.

And interestingly, most of the hardened criminals in prison are Christians.

The Christian Faith is true and the One which should enable the start of a real personal relationship with the Creator of the Cosmos

Not even close. Any being with the intelligence, reason and capability of creating the cosmos will NOT have any features in common with the absurd anthropomorphic, dogmatic god of The Bible.

. That doesnt mean that there arent *some elements of truth with the other world religions, as there are ., but none of the others have a Divine Saviour

So who says a divine savior is a prerequisite for a religion being true?

No one but Jesus said HE alone was the way to God and to Heaven

I think you need to bone up on your history. Many people claimed this. Many of which the Jesus myth was based off of. Most cult leaders make similar claims. Whether they actually claim to be a god or not is irrelevant.

The ball is now in OUR court ; we can spend a little bit of time diligently investigating the evidences for the Christian Faith including The Bible with an unbiased Mind and Heart

Yes we can. Many of us already have, and have rightfully concluded that Christianity is a farce. When are you going to start?