All proof of UFOs is fake (genesis, suicide, ghost, gospels)

[alanMolstad]

I dont believe that any proof of real UFOs has even been found.

All the so-called proof always comes down to the same 2 basic things...

#1 - you got a cool story.
A story that you might hear around a campfire.
A story where you got UFOs flying around the sky, and a government covering it up right behind them.

#2 - you got fuzzy photos.
Does not matter if it was taken with a cellphone camera or the best video camera known to mankind, it will still always be fuzzy....

Because the whole thing is just made up...

[MontanaGuy]

This is the third post in which you've said exactly the same thing but I generally agree with you. I've never once seen a high quality UFO photo or video which is a little strange when you consider the fact that almost everybody has a camera capable of producing a photo in which the subject is clearly recognizable and there's no disagreement about what it is. If UFO's were real we should have thousands of high quality photos by now but we don't have any at all.

[Asheville Native]

Well that is 2 up on any real proof of god.

#1 the stories aren't that cool, the porn parts are dated, just not a good read.
#2 fuzzy pictures are better than no pictures

Because the whole thing is just made up...

But I agree with your premise. Doesn't mean I doubt the very high probability of the existence of intelligent life throughout the universe, but if they have developed to the point of interstellar travel, they ain't going to spend their time hovering over trailer parks.

[Gplex]

There are unidentified flying objects in the sky all the time...

[NightBazaar]

Originally Posted by Asheville Native

But I agree with your premise. Doesn't mean I doubt the very high probability of the existence of intelligent life throughout the universe, but if they have developed to the point of interstellar travel, they ain't going to spend their time hovering over trailer parks.

Ah wouldn't say thet. Summa them thar beat up ol' trayler parks down those gravel roads fulla potholes seem ta draw them durn ETs like a magnet. Sez so right heer.

[AxisMundi]

Originally Posted by Gplex

There are unidentified flying objects in the sky all the time...

Those are called "birds" and "airplanes".

[Gplex]

Originally Posted by AxisMundi

Those are called "birds" and "airplanes".

Don't forget insect, bats, clouds, etc etc..

[sleepy eyes 1979]

I never seen a U.F.O. but it is hard for me to believe that we are the only beings in the universe. For those who think that the world is basically an accident, who says lightning does not strike twice in the same place. Or in this case the universe. BTW, I am so thankful that I believe in God because if I didn't I would care less about anyone or anything, period. I would live life like it was my last day with no regard for human life or authority. I mean why should I? We are all just one big mistake right?(accident)/ People commit suicide because they have no sense of purpose. God gives us purpose.

[AREQUIPA]

I tried hard to stay out of this but I can't.

UFO's is one of those things that have interested me, like fringe-sciences. And I looked into the factual support.
It's unproven. That is really because there's no hard evidence, despite somewhat doubtful attempts to claim that Offworld Artefacts (OWA's) have been found and which completely confounded the scientists. But theres no way of checking the claims and the artefacts tend to mysteriously disappear.

The sightings are anecdotal and often, and I mean often, very dodgy. Photos are either too fuzzy to be anything but fakes or too clear to be anything but other kinds of fakes. It is a bit hard to know what would be accepted as real.

There's the constant question of why the buggers don't just land on the White House lawn if they want to make contact and all sorts of reasons are made up by the UFO apologists (who of course don't really know) very much like excuses made for why JesusGod simply doesn't turn up on a TV chat -show and let us all know about it.

The result of my looking is to persuade me that, poor though it is, there's a lot better evidence for UFO's than for Biblegod AkA Jesus and that the UFO apologetics are remarkably like those for God, for Atlantis, for Gods from Outer space, Bigfoot, Nessie or Astrology.

Science is often denounced as closed -minded and, yes, some of the hard-core debunkers are prone to coming up with any argument to dismiss what Charles Fort called 'Dammned facts'; even to cherry - picking the evidence so as to dismiss the whole thing. Yes, even 'scientists' can be illogical and not objective.

That's when I coined the term Culthink. It is the back - to front, science-accusing, prove-me-wrong type of thinking that is common to religion, cults, fringe-science, the occult - enthusiasts and what is genenically referred to as nuts or whackjobs. In the end, I came to realize that such thinking is more common than logical thinking. It is found in racism, homophobia, politics (oh yes), advertising, all manner of propaganda and in all walks of life down to the neighbour relating a self - justifying tale of her row with the checkout girl.

So UFO's. Maybe there are UFO's, and some of the reports from people who out be know what they see and should be reliable - airline pilots are particularly persuasive.

Of course, UFO just means some flying (or amy aerial object) that is not identified, just as 'evolution' is correctly defined as the model for the development of life, but the term is used by the cultists, shall we say, to denote a general body of alien vehicles, alien and piloted, and associated hard, supertechnological and even apparently supernatural (1) occurrences, as 'evolution' is used to denote any naturalist explation for how everthing came to be without Goddunnit.

UFO investigation is often marred by poor methodology leading to near - falsification. Recent example, an account of African children who saw a saucer -type object land and apparenly alien (2) occupant(s) come out. It was soon clear to me that the investigator had chosen the 'best' witness to provide the bulk of the story.
It is hard to avoid the suspicion that the pupil with the best imagination and who had heard about Flying Saucers and slant - eyed greys, provided the most UFO -friendly story and the invesigator cherry - picked the other reports to asemble the bits that matched into a coherent report, just as the Christopologists fudge the Gospels onto a coherent single story. It seems quite a reasonable thing to do, using the 'witnesses don't always agree' yardstick.

There's also a history of faked photographs and false stories, for all that some diehards continually pop up to argue that Adamski's Venusians and UMMO could be true after all, if we just rewrite the story to fit the facts.
By 'Venusians', say some other planet. Couldn't tell us where they REALLY came from. We wouldn't believe, would we? Or maybe from a Venus in the past. Or the future, or any damn' thing to make Adamski's story work.

In the same way, Bible -apologists fiddle around to make the Jesus story or Genesis creation work, or just dismiss the details and appeal to argument from 'big picture' (3)


(1) another cultword meaning having a ghostly, demonaic or quasi-divine appearance

(2) another cultword meaning from another world or dimension.

(3) another cultword meaning believe whatever is believable and explain away whatever doesn't fit. Or just ignore it, Kidbrick style.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by alanMolstad

I dont believe that any proof of real UFOs has even been found.

All the so-called proof always comes down to the same 2 basic things...

#1 - you got a cool story.
A story that you might hear around a campfire.
A story where you got UFOs flying around the sky, and a government covering it up right behind them.

#2 - you got fuzzy photos.
Does not matter if it was taken with a cellphone camera or the best video camera known to mankind, it will still always be fuzzy....

Because the whole thing is just made up...

UFOs are here for a reason, and you understand that they have been reported by both joe public, various world militaries, and even astronauts. They have been chased by fighter pilots, and even have been tracked on submarine sonars below the surface of the sea. The reports are to numerous to mention, yet to deny their existance really requires you to bury your head in the sand.