Can you be a Christian and NOT believe the Bible? (translation, Muslim)

[ted08721]

Originally Posted by kawgpz550

I think this topic may have been touched on at some point in another thread, however, I would like to hear other's opinions.
I know my beliefs, as well as most other Christians on here. I believe in order to REALLY be a Christian you have to believe in the Bible in it's entirety. I don't think you can just pick and choose what you want to believe and dismiss the rest if it does not suit your intrests or thoughts.
I realize that Jews believe the Old Testament and not the new, that I completely understand. But I do NOT understand how one can say they are "Christian" yet not believe whole heartedly what the New Testament teaches.
Any thoughts???

And as I always say in my threads....please keep it NICE!

Good question, I would say that I do not believe in the Bible. But I believe in the one whom it proclaims.

[carolinajack]

i guess is atheist can be both christian and atheist one can not believe in the word of and be a beliver in the word of God

make sense? No? good, cause thats about as silly as the OP

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by ted08721

Good question, I would say that I do not believe in the Bible. But I believe in the one whom it proclaims.

Believing in the one it proclaims is the most important part!

Regardless of what anyone else tells you, no one will show me a verse equating Biblical acceptance or denial to salvation or damnation.

It's all about Jesus.<----(that's a period right there)

[brittZ]

The idea that proclaiming Christ as a savior makes you a Christian is very simplified. Proclaiming Christ is the savior does not necessarily make you a Christian nor does it mean you are saved. It is a good start, and really the only way to start, but to be Christian is to live your life by the teachings of Christ and to spread his word as a disciple, the only way to do that is to read his words and understand his laws and commandments - those are found in the Bible. Being saved is about far more than simply proclaiming Christ as the savior; it is about giving yourself up to Christ and allowing him to control and guide your life, and again about striving to live up as best we can in our sinful nature to his example and the principles he has given us in the holy scripture. We are all at different places on our walk with Christ and our spiritual maturity and if someone has chosen to accept Christ but reject his word, I would say that they are still searching for the truth and offer whatever help I could that someone was willing to receive.

[brittZ]

If you believe in Christ and have given control of your life to him but do not follow his laws laid out in the Bible, where do you turn for Christian advice? Your pastor, his advice will be biblicly based. Are you making up what you think Jesus would want based on what you think is the right thing to do? This goes back to the point that I made in another thread, that being a Christian means submitting to the will of God not the other way around.

That being said, simply reading the Bible and taking it at face value is often not the best answer. The Bible is a tool that contains God's word and is to be studied and obeyed in concordance with advice from wise counsel (pastors, ministers, and those who have knowledge and understanding beyond our own).

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by brittZ

The idea that proclaiming Christ as a savior makes you a Christian is very simplified. Proclaiming Christ is the savior does not necessarily make you a Christian nor does it mean you are saved. It is a good start, and really the only way to start, but to be Christian is to live your life by the teachings of Christ and to spread his word as a disciple, the only way to do that is to read his words and understand his laws and commandments - those are found in the Bible. Being saved is about far more than simply proclaiming Christ as the savior; it is about giving yourself up to Christ and allowing him to control and guide your life, and again about striving to live up as best we can in our sinful nature to his example and the principles he has given us in the holy scripture. We are all at different places on our walk with Christ and our spiritual maturity and if someone has chosen to accept Christ but reject his word, I would say that they are still searching for the truth and offer whatever help I could that someone was willing to receive.

I've done the same thing you are doing here and took me some time to realize my mistake.

Salvation and spiritual growth and maturity are not the same.

The only thing Jesus needs from us for our salvation is accepting His sacrifice.

That acceptance brings about the things you talk about but the things you talk about don't bring about that acceptance.

[Lisa_from_Debary]

The definition of Christian is to beleive in Jesus Christ...alot of people don't believe in the bible as in taking it literally...

I think its terribly judgemental to point a finger at someone and say they are not a Christian...how can someone else know what is in their heart, their relationship with God is what matters.

This kind of attitude is why I stay away from Christianity...IF you believe in the bible in its entirety then you would not be judging others...

Matthew 7: 1, "judge not that ye be not judged"
Matthew 7:3, "Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
Romans 14:4, "who are thou that judge?"
Proverbs 29:26, "judgement cometh from the Lord"

You don't take your own bible in its entirety, because you ignore one verse after another warning you to NOT judge, that is only GODS place...Matthew speaks of judging hypocritically...so if you are without sin, then you can judge...if you are like everyone else, then you have no place in pointing the finger...as in with the story of the Adultress..."let he who is guiltless cast the first stone" Isn't the point that NONE of us are guiltless so NONE of us have the right to cast a stone at another??

[ted08721]

The point is some make it more complicated then it really is. The Bible is not some magical book.

[ted08721]

And yes I have read my Bible

[tmlady]

Originally Posted by kawgpz550

I think this topic may have been touched on at some point in another thread, however, I would like to hear other's opinions.
I know my beliefs, as well as most other Christians on here. I believe in order to REALLY be a Christian you have to believe in the Bible in it's entirety. I don't think you can just pick and choose what you want to believe and dismiss the rest if it does not suit your intrests or thoughts.
I realize that Jews believe the Old Testament and not the new, that I completely understand. But I do NOT understand how one can say they are "Christian" yet not believe whole heartedly what the New Testament teaches.
Any thoughts???

And as I always say in my threads....please keep it NICE!

Yes, the question really don't make sense if you are a true Christian you believe in the bible, anything else would call atheists; because to call yourself a Christian you have to believe in God.