Noah's Ark (Eve, mythology, bible, Christians)

[Asheville Native]

Originally Posted by Asheville Native

My feelings are hurt

My questions are never answered, none of them

There must be an explanation as to why;

• The big boat has been seen by all these people vs.
• Gawd has not yet decided if it is time for it to be seen.

Or the many logistical questions about how were the millions and millions of species of animals housed, fed, and cared for?

Were dinosaurs aboard?

What about plants? Plants drown in just a day or so so they would have also needed to be 'saved' from the floods.

C34 I challenge you to support the fairy tale you profess as fact with facts. But there in lies the rub, there are no facts, so would not any reasonable person admit that this fable is just that, a fable?

Hey Campbell, did ya miss these questions? Care to respond?

The rest of us need a good laugh this weekend

[ChrisC]

Originally Posted by Asheville Native

Hey Campbell, did ya miss these questions? Care to respond?

The rest of us need a good laugh this weekend

You like laughing at people, do you? I'll bet it's even more gratifying when it's about something that has meaning to them.

[rifleman]

Originally Posted by ChrisC

You like laughing at people, do you? I'll bet it's even more gratifying when it's about something that has meaning to them.

Chris, perhaps you haven't had quite the breadth of experience we have with Tom Campbell34 and his unusual posts....

I do note Tom's mention that the Ark grounded well above the tree line. Quite true: 14,000 ft more or less (depending on which site we're talking about today). Is that where Noah disembarked all the hapless millions of all-vegan (his idea, not mine... a herd of "vegan" T-Rexs and Velociraptors; now there's yet another good laugh, but I digress...) participants, Tom? Where there' absolutely NO VEGETATION to eat?

So... then as the fairy-tale goes, the Godly winds evaporated a trillion trillion extra cubic acres of mystery flood waters from the surface of the Earth (back to where again? Up into the atmosphere to be returned immediately as rain?) Ever hear of or understand The Hydrologic Cycle?

First there's rain, then accumulated water in oceans and lakes, then evaporation back up into the clouds, then rain again, etc. etc. As those quadrillion extra cubics of mystery water went up, they'd also have-tah sortah start coming back down again as the atmosphere got supersaturated. The very next day, probably. Sort of a vicious cycle, huh? Hardly the sunny scene of love and verdant pasture lands depicted in the Sunday School trash handouts to the innocent kiddies.

So, in fact, there'd be no rapid receding of the flood waters, now would there? Thus, no uncovered vegetation for the barge occupants to eat. Oh, I forgot: all the salt-water flooded vegetation would be dead anyhow, rotted and gone. From everywhere; nothing to be found, esp. @ 14,000 feet up.

No food. no fresh water. Raining all the time.

Sounds glorious. Praise the Lord, the Intelligent Designer, the amazing one. The fairy tale.

But then, this will be another unaddressed quandry for Tom.

Yes, it is laughable.

[NightBazaar]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

I have stated over and over again, that only a hand full of people have seen the Ark up close. Yet the majority of us have never been in such a position. Those who have gotten close to the Ark claim it is broken in two. Photos from space show that a large man-made object is on Ararat, and it is broken in two. A recent group of Turkish authorities, and a team from Japan found a large petrified wooden structure in a cave high up on Ararat. Ed Davis said back in 1943, he saw petrified wood in a cave from the Ark high up on Ararat. The people he was with, told Davis they put the wood there that had broken off the Ark, when it broke in two. The latest finding of structure found in the cave in 2007, confirmed what Ed Davis said he saw back in 1943. Now, you can believe this international team is made up of nothing but liars, and those folks at Hong Kong University are also all liars, or you can believe they are telling us the truth.
I have posted links that show evidence, yet you keep talking here as if no such evidence exist. It's true, I have yet to see a picture of the object in the cave. Yet at this point, I have no reason to believe they are all lying.
There is no wood on Ararat, it is way beyond the tree line, and as Ed Davis point out back in 1943, the objects he saw in the cave were without question man-made, and from the Ark. Davis was one who actually saw the Ark with it's triple decks, and cages inside. So he knew the Ark was there, and he knew the objects in the cave were from the same. There is no inconsistency here.

You also posted a link about the Russian Expedition that you feel verifies Ed Davis' claim. The problem is that the description of the Russian Expedition give no indication that the Ark is broken in two. Regardless, based on the dimensions you gave as to the size of the "wooden structure" in the cave, since it is petrified, how exactly would anyone move it from where ever they found it to the cave? And if the cave is the same cave that the Chinese team photographed, how would anyone manage to drag it through the narrow opening? Petrified wood isn't exactly light in weight, not to mention a structure the size you claim it to be. Even if it wasn't petrified, the weight would be extremely heavy for anyone to lug around the mountain.

Yes there is inconsistency, lots of it, because you keep adding and changing your tune. First you've indicated that lots of people have seen the Ark. Then you said no one has yet seen it because it's not time. Now you're saying a handful of people have seen it. By the time you add up Ed Davis, the team he was with who told Davis they moved the structure into the cave, the Turkish authorities (what government branch?), the Chinese team and whatever team they had with them, not to mention the number of Russians who claimed to have been at the Ark, I'd say that's more than a handful.

I didn't say anything about the Hong Kong team being liars. What was analyzed in Hong Kong probably was petrified wood. I'm questioning what the Chinese trekkers actually saw, especially considering they already had the preconceived notion that the Ark is located on the mountain. Since they already had that in mind, most anything they found would have been 'seen' as part of the Ark. I'm also skeptical that they would not have taken close photos of the "wooden structure" since they were already at the cave, retrieved fragments, and only took photos of the opening from a distance. After all, they had cameras with them. The best image they posted was from outside of the cave with the claim it shows wooden beams, etc., which frankly, you really can't make out what it is at all from the photo. There are no close up photos from the inside.

The photos from space do not show a large man-made object on Ararat. They show some tiny dark spots, which could be anything. The only space images I can think of were taken decades ago. Are there any other images of Ararat from space that are more recent with higher resolution of the anomolies?

[NightBazaar]

Originally Posted by AxisMundi

I wonder if that's the same Chinese team that got the Hong Kong g'ment to pay for their brand new Ark Theme Park?

I wouldn't be a bit surprised.

[MontanaGuy]

ChrisC wrote:

You like laughing at people, do you? I'll bet it's even more gratifying when it's about something that has meaning to them

This thread is now over 100 pages long and contains some of the strangest posts I've ever read. I personally don't want to throw any insults at Campbell34 because I realize he's completely convinced that Noah's ark is real and I have to give him credit for never insulting anyone even though he's outnumbered by all of us atheists and has had his share of ridicule. The problem as I see it is that the statements that he and others have made tend to invite ridicule. There have been countless posts that I've read on this thread that have caused me to wince, laugh, or just say to myself "you've got to be kidding me". If you read through the pages of this thread you'll find a large number of questions written by people like myself who realize that the story of Noah is impossible. All that atheists are asking is if someone can produce any evidence that is credible and so far we've come up with nothing.

[ChrisC]

Originally Posted by rifleman

Chris, perhaps you haven't had quite the breadth of experience we have with Tom Campbell34 and his unusual posts....

I do note Tom's mention that the Ark grounded well above the tree line. Quite true: 14,000 ft more or less (depending on which site we're talking about today). Is that where Noah disembarked all the hapless millions of all-vegan (his idea, not mine... a herd of "vegan" T-Rexs and Velociraptors; now there's yet another good laugh, but I digress...) participants, Tom? Where there' absolutely NO VEGETATION to eat?

So... then as the fairy-tale goes, the Godly winds evaporated a trillion trillion extra cubic acres of mystery flood waters from the surface of the Earth (back to where again? Up into the atmosphere to be returned immediately as rain?) Ever hear of or understand The Hydrologic Cycle?

First there's rain, then accumulated water in oceans and lakes, then evaporation back up into the clouds, then rain again, etc. etc. As those quadrillion extra cubics of mystery water went up, they'd also have-tah sortah start coming back down again as the atmosphere got supersaturated. The very next day, probably. Sort of a vicious cycle, huh? Hardly the sunny scene of love and verdant pasture lands depicted in the Sunday School trash handouts to the innocent kiddies.

So, in fact, there'd be no rapid receding of the flood waters, now would there? Thus, no uncovered vegetation for the barge occupants to eat. Oh, I forgot: all the salt-water flooded vegetation would be dead anyhow, rotted and gone. From everywhere; nothing to be found, esp. @ 14,000 feet up.

No food. no fresh water. Raining all the time.

Sounds glorious. Praise the Lord, the Intelligent Designer, the amazing one. The fairy tale.

But then, this will be another unaddressed quandry for Tom.

Yes, it is laughable.

Vegans... hmmm. Plankton? Yeah, that's the ticket--fried plankton.

Originally Posted by MontanaGuy

ChrisC wrote:

This thread is now over 100 pages long and contains some of the strangest posts I've ever read. I personally don't want to throw any insults at Campbell34 because I realize he's completely convinced that Noah's ark is real and I have to give him credit for never insulting anyone even though he's outnumbered by all of us atheists and has had his share of ridicule. The problem as I see it is that the statements that he and others have made tend to invite ridicule. There have been countless posts that I've read on this thread that have caused me to wince, laugh, or just say to myself "you've got to be kidding me". If you read through the pages of this thread you'll find a large number of questions written by people like myself who realize that the story of Noah is impossible. All that atheists are asking is if someone can produce any evidence that is credible and so far we've come up with nothing.

Ha... okay. Question/statement retracted. I think I'm going to pull my dogs out of this one. I had just skimmed through the 100+ pages. Sounds like I may want to revisit for entertainment. Still... I won't laugh, just disagree. Maybe roll my eyes occasionally.

[yeshuasavedme]

All you atheists are the proof of the Ark Noah built. You would not "be" if Noah's three sons and three daughter's in law had not been on the Ark for the purpose of keeping the Adam spirit alive and before YHWH/the LORD, until all the seed would be born of Adam which He intended and ordained, when He created the seed in the loins of the first, firstborn, created human being, and wrote the names of all who would be born of Adam in His Book of Life -before the world was.

[deepcynic]

Originally Posted by yeshuasavedme

All you atheists are the proof of the Ark Noah built. You would not "be" if Noah's three sons and three daughter's in law had not been on the Ark for the purpose of keeping the Adam spirit alive and before YHWH/the LORD, until all the seed would be born of Adam which He intended and ordained, when He created the seed in the loins of the first, firstborn, created human being, and wrote the names of all who would be born of Adam in His Book of Life -before the world was.

That is so f'ing funny! Thank you for making my night. (well, not my night, but my 5 minute peek at CD)

[albion]

Massive sauropod footprints have been discovered in the Jura mountains in eastern France.
These footprints were 1.4-1.5 metres in diameter they calculated the weight of this huge sauropod to have been 30-40 metric tons (33-44tons) & 40 metres long.
I'm only a simple engineer, but if you add a pair of these particular sauropods to the passenger manifest of an Ark that was only 420ft long, you have problems.