Noah's Ark

[rifleman]

Attempts to validate an actual Ark only serve to amuse us and belittle the limited imagination and curiosity of the acolyte. In this case, Tom [C34] even stretches the truth (LFJ*) with his exaggerated staement about pilots [plural]. only one, a dedicated Christian who overflew it in, what was it, 1947, in his P-38 Lightning, and then made the statement that "I really wanted it to be The Ark" is a critical part of Tom's defence.

Other, more enlightened overflights, with satellites utilizing High Rez X-Ray fluorescence scans, have categorically determined that this is nothing but a basalt/limestone outcrop, typical of many in the area.

No-one has ever found petrified wood up there, and yet that story now happily circulates because of a mob feeding frenzy mentality. There's also bed-time quality stories about some Christian pseudo-scientists who found actual cages and decks, yet they failed to provide any pictures, and petrified wood samples, anything except those loverly grainly completely out-of-focus shots.

Oddly, they got lots of in-focus pictures of each other, even one with his personal bible placed on a pile of stone, the owner praying fervently to the Noah God. Nice clear pictures. But pics of the Ark? Zip! There's even one fanciful website that shows pictures that they even admit to have "enhanced", that then show cages, etc. They have been PhotoShopped in, obviously.

Well, imagine if they returned, this entire expedition having been funded by the congregation, and they were to say "We really found no evidence, not even a hint, that this was an Ark. Sorry." Now imagine they wanted to go, next year, to South America, all expenses paid, to investigate a weeping statue? Holy dried up funds, Batman! Say it isn't so!

The "item" on Ararat has been proven, to any with a rational bone in their body, to be nothing but a geologic outcropping. But, like stone statues weeping, or stained glass windows providing moving pictures of God, it's all in the mind of the beholder, and these folks want, nay, NEED, to see what they need to see.

Besides, the Muslims have an actual Ark they built out of wood some years ago, and they claim IT'S the real Ark. They even have tours and a tourist shop for souvenirs ["Getcher real piece of petrified Ark-wood he-ah! Only $19.95, Euros or gold coins only please; no useless American $$$"] and a parking lot! Wowowowow!

http://www.muslimworld.co.uk/noah.htm

Plus, the newest finding of yet another Ark in Iran:

Noah's Ark in Iran?

or this:

The True Call - ISLAM - The Qur'an and Noah's Ark

They're EVERYWHERE!

BTW, this JUST in, slightly off topic, but illustrative nontheless:

Italian scientist reproduces Shroud of Turin - Yahoo! News

Ooops.... Them danged researchers agin! "Stone him! Get out the torches and pitchforks! WE got some "cleansin' to do, Murtha!"

[mensaguy]

Noah's Ark is being rebuilt in Frostburg, Maryland. I've driven past it many times, but have seen no construction activity for many years. It looks now just about like the picture on the link below.

Noah's Ark Being Rebuilt Here, Frostburg, Maryland

[Rafius]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

Well, there are numerous detailed stories from people who came in contact with the Ark itself, or evidence from the Ark. And most of these people were pretty much down to earth types.

Sure! People like the celebrated Christian forger Ron Wyatt no doubt.
http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/
http://www.isitso.org/guide/wyattnoah.html

Wyatt also claims to have found:
Noah's Ark.
"Anchor stones" used by Noah for the ark.
The Post-Flood house and tombs of Noah and his wife.
The location of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Sulfur balls from the burning of Sodom and Gomorrah.
The point of the Israelites' crossing of the Red Sea in Exodus.
Debris from the pursuing army of Pharoah at the bottom of the sea.
The site of the Biblical Mt. Sinai.
A chamber at the end of a maze of tunnels under Jerusalem containing artifacts from Solomon's temple.
The Ark of the Covenant.
The stones on which God carved the Ten Commandments.
The exact site of the crucifixion of Jesus.
An earthquake crack under the crucifixion site made at the time of the death of Jesus.
Blood of Jesus, which dripped down this crack onto the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant, located in a chamber directly beneath the cross.
http://www.isitso.org/guide/wyatt.html

....and you know Campbell, people like you who believe such ridiculous nonsense made him rather rich.

some have passed away, but their stories remained the same. And they stated until the day they died, they saw the Ark on Ararat. I would find it hard to believe, that they were all pathological liars.

I think rifleman has dealt with this sufficiently in post 321. Clearly they are pathological liars. If it had been found, the Church would have moved mountains to get it....or do things like that not register with you?

[AREQUIPA]

In view of the monumental amount of evidence for the ark discovery being a massive excercise in self - delusion to the extent of insanity, I wonder about those who really are in denial who keep insisting it's true.

[Rafius]

Originally Posted by AREQUIPA

In view of the monumental amount of evidence for the ark discovery being a massive excercise in self - delusion to the extent of insanity, I wonder about those who really are in denial who keep insisting it's true.

People will believe anything rather than concede that they have been monumentally duped.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by Memphis1979

Let me ask you a question,

If God can do all of this awesome stuff,

Why didn't he simply just pick Noah and his family, and all of the animals up, while he destroyed all of the wicked? Why didn't he just strike them dead where they stood?

I don't really know. It appears God has His own ways of doing things. Why would God send His Son to die on a cross? Could He not of avoided that? Even in my own personal life, my encounters with God I often find baffling. Yet, He did say, His ways are not our ways, and His thoughts, are not like our thoughts.

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by Rafius

Sure! People like the celebrated Christian forger Ron Wyatt no doubt.
Wyatt Archaeological Research Fraud Documentation (WAR, W.A.R.)
Field Guide: Overview of the Claims of Ron Wyatt Regarding Noah's Ark

Wyatt also claims to have found:
Noah's Ark.
"Anchor stones" used by Noah for the ark.
The Post-Flood house and tombs of Noah and his wife.
The location of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Sulfur balls from the burning of Sodom and Gomorrah.
The point of the Israelites' crossing of the Red Sea in Exodus.
Debris from the pursuing army of Pharoah at the bottom of the sea.
The site of the Biblical Mt. Sinai.
A chamber at the end of a maze of tunnels under Jerusalem containing artifacts from Solomon's temple.
The Ark of the Covenant.
The stones on which God carved the Ten Commandments.
The exact site of the crucifixion of Jesus.
An earthquake crack under the crucifixion site made at the time of the death of Jesus.
Blood of Jesus, which dripped down this crack onto the Mercy Seat of the Ark of the Covenant, located in a chamber directly beneath the cross.
Field Guide: Overview of the Archaeological Claims of Ron Wyatt

....and you know Campbell, people like you who believe such ridiculous nonsense made him rather rich.


I think rifleman has dealt with this sufficiently in post 321. Clearly they are pathological liars. If it had been found, the Church would have moved mountains to get it....or do things like that not register with you?

Ron Wyatt, did not find the Ark of Noah. He found a land formation. The real ark, is at the top of Ararat. Wyatt, I believe, had problems as he got older. And so did my father. Yet, this does not mean they were wrong about everything in their life. And I do not believe that everyone who stated they saw the Ark over the years, were all liars. And we know today where the real mount Sinai is, yet the Islamic Government will not allow any from the West to go there. And for many years, Turkey would not allow anyone to go to the North Slope of Mt. Ararat. The Ark is almost always covered in ice. And only on rare and very hot summers can any part of the ark be seen. Ron Wyatt has nothing to do with the discovery of the real Ark. The location of his Ark belief, is more of a smoke screen. And that belief has deverted attention from the location of the real Ark location. And Muslim nations do not want the Ark to be found on Ararat, because their Holy Book has stated the Ark landed on a mountain 200 miles south of Ararat. If the Ark is revealed to be on Ararat, it would also show that their religious Book has an obvious error. And how could that be? Because they believe their God authored their Holy Text..
Many stories of the real location of Noahs Ark can be found in the link below. Also, there is I believe, one story that speaks of Wyatts location.
Mount Ararat: Expeditions Past / Present

[Campbell34]

Originally Posted by rifleman

Attempts to validate an actual Ark only serve to amuse us and belittle the limited imagination and curiosity of the acolyte. In this case, Tom [C34] even stretches the truth (LFJ*) with his exaggerated staement about pilots [plural]. only one, a dedicated Christian who overflew it in, what was it, 1947, in his P-38 Lightning, and then made the statement that "I really wanted it to be The Ark" is a critical part of Tom's defence.

Other, more enlightened overflights, with satellites utilizing High Rez X-Ray fluorescence scans, have categorically determined that this is nothing but a basalt/limestone outcrop, typical of many in the area.

No-one has ever found petrified wood up there, and yet that story now happily circulates because of a mob feeding frenzy mentality. There's also bed-time quality stories about some Christian pseudo-scientists who found actual cages and decks, yet they failed to provide any pictures, and petrified wood samples, anything except those loverly grainly completely out-of-focus shots.

Oddly, they got lots of in-focus pictures of each other, even one with his personal bible placed on a pile of stone, the owner praying fervently to the Noah God. Nice clear pictures. But pics of the Ark? Zip! There's even one fanciful website that shows pictures that they even admit to have "enhanced", that then show cages, etc. They have been PhotoShopped in, obviously.

Well, imagine if they returned, this entire expedition having been funded by the congregation, and they were to say "We really found no evidence, not even a hint, that this was an Ark. Sorry." Now imagine they wanted to go, next year, to South America, all expenses paid, to investigate a weeping statue? Holy dried up funds, Batman! Say it isn't so!

The "item" on Ararat has been proven, to any with a rational bone in their body, to be nothing but a geologic outcropping. But, like stone statues weeping, or stained glass windows providing moving pictures of God, it's all in the mind of the beholder, and these folks want, nay, NEED, to see what they need to see.

Besides, the Muslims have an actual Ark they built out of wood some years ago, and they claim IT'S the real Ark. They even have tours and a tourist shop for souvenirs ["Getcher real piece of petrified Ark-wood he-ah! Only $19.95, Euros or gold coins only please; no useless American $$$"] and a parking lot! Wowowowow!

Noah's Ark

Plus, the newest finding of yet another Ark in Iran:

Noah's Ark in Iran?

or this:

The True Call - ISLAM - The Qur'an and Noah's Ark

They're EVERYWHERE!

BTW, this JUST in, slightly off topic, but illustrative nontheless:

Italian scientist reproduces Shroud of Turin - Yahoo! News

Ooops.... Them danged researchers agin! "Stone him! Get out the torches and pitchforks! WE got some "cleansin' to do, Murtha!"

No rifleman, I am not stretching the truth on the (PILOT'S) that saw the Ark of Noah. It appears to me, you are not aware of the rich historical evidence for the existance of the Ark. Or perhaps you are just ignoring those stories.

And your also confusing two stories and mixing them together. For there are two locations for the Ark. One is a land formation which is the one Ron Wyatt believed in. The other location is found much higher up on Ararat, and has nothing to do with a basalt/limestone outcrop.

And one of the pilots who saw the Ark up close was Lieutenant Roskovitsky of the Russian Imperial Air Force. His story can be seen in the link below. You might be very interested in that one. Yet there are many well documented stories, and this is just one of them.

Mount Ararat: Expeditions Past / Present

[MrBlueSky_]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

I don't really know. It appears God has His own ways of doing things. Why would God send His Son to die on a cross? Could He not of avoided that? Even in my own personal life, my encounters with God I often find baffling. Yet, He did say, His ways are not our ways, and His thoughts, are not like our thoughts.

Yeah.. neither are Charles Manson's.

[rifleman]

Originally Posted by Campbell34

I don't really know. It appears God has His own ways of doing things. Why would God send His Son to die on a cross? Could He not of avoided that? Even in my own personal life, my encounters with God I often find baffling. Yet, He did say, His ways are not our ways, and His thoughts, are not like our thoughts.

Well in that case, you can stop trying to ever justify His actions on any sort of logical basis. As I've said to Ms. YSM, you guys just need to outright admit that it's all done by MAGIC. Then we'll understand.

Otherwise, you cannot use science and logic (as in your convenient use of carbon dating evidence from time to time, and then rejecting it later when it shows things to be +50,000 years old.

Or of presumptive sampling of "petrified" wood, or of PhotoShopped digi-pics as necessary, and then, later, tell us that all scientists are biased hoaxers who assume everything when you don't like their answers.)

You simply cannot have it both ways, Tom. It makes you look like a silly fool.

A person with the intellectual capacity to instantly create all of the universe, with it's spectacular variations and intricate complexity would not bother with an untenable and completely implausible means to kill off all the sinners, plus all the innocents. We've proved that it simply cannot have happened unless MAGIC is employed. Yet right here, in your last post, you finally agree with us. It's simply MAGIC! It's how God works. MAGIC. Hear that, YSM?

Of course, the Noah story was penned by an author who had less knowledge of the world around him than the average 8 yr old Sesame Street child. Even those children know that animals have specific ecological niches and food requirements.

It's also odd that you have never answered the burning question about exactly how many animals Noah had to have on board, given the current (and climbing) count of 30+ million unique species on the planet. Remember now, no evolving was allowed, according to Creationists. "Evolution is a lie." Remember?

Noah could not have duplicated the needs of the requisite (conservative) 600 million animals, not the least of which would have been simply accomodating them, even for a single night.

Your spectacular lack of knowledge about the basics of life, of ecology, of biology, of physics and astronomy and simple logic is proven time and again as you choose to stumble along and re-assert old wive's tails, old myths and even disproven stories of an Ark find on Ararat.

But, it's true: some things are simply too far gone to resuscitate.