Jesus Who! (religious leader, believer, Jesus Christ, virtual)

[GCSTroop]

Well sass I won't flame you for straying from the topic but if you are interested I found a link to a National Geographic special for a group of researchers looking for Noah's Ark. Their theory of what happened makes a lot more sense to me.

If you read the intro it has to do with the biblical theory and the next page is the scientific theory. Here ya go:

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/bl.../ax/frame.html

[tarhill]

Originally Posted by pladecalvo

No, it isn't FACT. It's only what you BELIEVE.

J.C What's wrong with that?

No Thanks!

"For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat.
It is written:
'As surely as I live,' says the Lord, every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.'
So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God."

-Romans 14:9-12

[GCSTroop]

[quote=tarhill;669474]

Originally Posted by pladecalvo

9For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. 10You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. 11It is written:
" 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.' "[a] 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.

-Romans 14:9-12

This is the exact disconnect that believers and non-believers have tarhill. You take what is out of the bible and believe it as true and infallible. The quote you posted, although well written, means nothing to me or any other atheist. As far as we're concerned it's as real as "Othello" or "Hamlet".

[tarhill]

Originally Posted by GCSTroop

This is the exact disconnect that believers and non-believers have tarhill. You take what is out of the bible and believe it as true and infallible. The quote you posted, although well written, means nothing to me or any other atheist. As far as we're concerned it's as real as "Othello" or "Hamlet".

I will pray that God opens your eyes to the truth. You are in here asking questions, that is a start.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by GCSTroop

This is the exact disconnect that believers and non-believers have tarhill. You take what is out of the bible and believe it as true and infallible. The quote you posted, although well written, means nothing to me or any other atheist. As far as we're concerned it's as real as "Othello" or "Hamlet".

And that's in a nutshell. Well said, GCSTroop.

But I charge that if we didn't take it as true and infallible, our faith would be questionable.

Thanks for the discourse, this threads about run its course for me.

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

And that's in a nutshell. Well said, GCSTroop.

But I charge that if we didn't take it as true and infallible, our faith would be questionable.

Thanks for the discourse, this threads about run its course for me.

Yeah, I think we've beaten a dead horse one too many times. Nice conversation though.

[Hoosier]

I've seen a few too many posts telling everyone to stay on thread. I'm including the OP's original post for clairification. Please be respectful and if you'd like to go off topic, please start a new thread instead.

Let's look for evidence of JC. Outside of Christianity, there is no contemporaneous evidence whatsoever for him. As the saying goes, 'If there is no evidence that there is an elephant living in your house, why would you believe that there is'? I contend that JC, Son of God is a myth!

Hoosier
Religion forum mod

[wildberries61]

Originally Posted by Hoosier_guy

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Religion forum mod

Oh Hoosier, you have crossed too the other side!!!

[Ms.Charlotte]

Originally Posted by Hoosier_guy

I've seen a few too many posts telling everyone to stay on thread. I'm including the OP's original post for clairification. Please be respectful and if you'd like to go off topic, please start a new thread instead.



Hoosier
Religion forum mod

Congrats, Hoosier! Perfectly suited for the job!

[briandean]

A highly regarded scholar, named Gary Habermas, has written a book entitled "The Historical Jesus" that has shown numerous examples and recordings of Jesus outside of Christian writings. Also, Craig Blomberg's book "The Historical Reliabilty of the Gospels", and F.F. Bruce's book "The New Testament Documents" are highly regarded. Bruce was an archaeologist by trade, so that book's pretty interesting. Other books of antiquity that give evidence of Jesus (if these haven't been mentioned already) are Tacitus' "Annals" as well as Josephus' works. The latter has NOT been shown to be a Christian forgery. In fact, it doen't state Jesus' teachings, only that he lived, was arrested, and was sentenced to capital punishment. If it was a Christian forgery it would have had more of a theological position. Josephus' works compile hundreds of pages of history, only about a paragraph of which has anything whatsoever to do with the man named Jesus. Often someone somewhere will claim something like "it's a forgery" without looking at what they're commenting on. No biggie, it happens.

Besides, all scholarship agrees that the man referred to as Jesus Christ lived. The disagreement is whether he is who he claimed to be.
Anyway, hope the list above helps.