Jesus Who! (atheist, agnostic, bible, Christians)

[burdell]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

Your pretty much right.

The major difference between Islam, Judaism, and Christianity..in a word...is Jesus!

To him, a lot of similarities in all 3. Pretty wild, IMHO.

It has always amazed me how significant Jerusalem is to all three. You would think with so many similarities they might all learn to get along a little better.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by burdell

It has always amazed me how significant Jerusalem is to all three. You would think with so many similarities they might all learn to get along a little better.

You are correct. But again, as a believer, it does not surprise me.

The name of Jesus is an offensive name. It makes people angry. It is hated.

He was hated when he was alive, and He's hated now.

It's because it all turns on Him.

I know that sounds crazy to you, burdell, as I know your beliefs. But if you watch, you will see. It's like the military chaplins that could pray...but not in Jesus' name. Last Christmas, my kids' school had a program sang about Santa and Hannukka(sp?), but could not mention the birth of Christ. (Also Kwanzaa, and I'm pretty sure there's a religious theme there too, albeit tribal (I think)).

There's a double standard. And it hinges on the Name above all Names.

Not trying to get preaching. Just watch the news and listen.

[pladecalvo]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

Yep

Also josephus, and others...etc.

A post like this...well...nuff said

The Testamonium Flavianum (Josephus) has some serious problems. The T.F. uses clearly Christian phrases and names Christ as Messiah, it could not possibly have been written by the Jew Josephus (who refused to call anyone "messiah").

The T.F. comes in several versions of various ages.

The T.F. was not mentioned by Origen when he reviewed Josephus - Origen even says Josephus does NOT call Jesus the Messiah, showing the passage was not present in that earlier era.

The T.F. first showed up in manuscripts of Eusebius, and was still absent from some manuscripts as late as 8th century.

Who are the 'others'?

[dreameyes]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

Let me know how that works out for ya.

LOL tried to give you rep points for that one but I gotta "spread em around"

[carolinajack]

Jesus is the Messiah so he was correct on this

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by pladecalvo

I'm sure this is covered elsewhere on this forum but I've been unable to find it so if it does, perhaps someone would point me in the right direction.

Let's look for evidence of JC. Outside of Christianity, there is no contemporaneous evidence whatsoever for him. As the saying goes, 'If there is no evidence that there is an elephant living in your house, why would you believe that there is'? I contend that JC, Son of God is a myth!

I don't know if you have an elephant living in your house, but Jesus is living in me.

[lammius]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

(Also Kwanzaa, and I'm pretty sure there's a religious theme there too, albeit tribal (I think)).

Kwanzaa is not a religious holiday. It's a cultural one, begun in California in 1966.

[pladecalvo]

Originally Posted by carolinajack

Jesus is the Messiah so he was correct on this

I may be wrong on this but I don't think JC was ever called 'messiah' during his (alleged) lifetime. He was only refered to as 'messiah' by the Jews...and then only after he had been dead for some time.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

You are correct. But again, as a believer, it does not surprise me.

The name of Jesus is an offensive name. It makes people angry. It is hated.

He was hated when he was alive, and He's hated now.

It's because it all turns on Him.

I know that sounds crazy to you, burdell, as I know your beliefs. But if you watch, you will see. It's like the military chaplins that could pray...but not in Jesus' name. Last Christmas, my kids' school had a program sang about Santa and Hannukka(sp?), but could not mention the birth of Christ. (Also Kwanzaa, and I'm pretty sure there's a religious theme there too, albeit tribal (I think)).

There's a double standard. And it hinges on the Name above all Names.

Not trying to get preaching. Just watch the news and listen.

And we might also say that in some quarters Allah is a hated name, or Vishnu, or many others. And all too often I see people being accused of hate for no other reason than they don't believe what someone else does.

You know my beliefs? What makes you think you would know my beliefs from a very tiny sampling of my opinion on different things? There are times and some things about which I'm not even 100% sure what my belief is and I make no apology for that. Good, bad, or indifferent it's the truth.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by pladecalvo

The Testamonium Flavianum (Josephus) has some serious problems. The T.F. uses clearly Christian phrases and names Christ as Messiah, it could not possibly have been written by the Jew Josephus (who refused to call anyone "messiah").

The T.F. comes in several versions of various ages.

The T.F. was not mentioned by Origen when he reviewed Josephus - Origen even says Josephus does NOT call Jesus the Messiah, showing the passage was not present in that earlier era.

The T.F. first showed up in manuscripts of Eusebius, and was still absent from some manuscripts as late as 8th century.

Who are the 'others'?

IF you are truly interested, I would HIGHLY recommend 'Evidence that demands a Verdict' by Josh McDowell. If nothing else, maybe you could begin to disprove the historical evidence he lays out for Christ.

While I do not have that book with me at present, I do believe I remember at least one name from it....Tachtus/Tacitus...something like that....think he was either a Roman historian or a historian for one of the Roman provinces.

At any rate, while they do not speak to His deity or even His miracles....they usually say something like..."All this happened about x years after a rebel in Jerusalem named Jesus started a new sect of followers...etc"

Jesus lived....and still does!