Jesus Who! (hell, Baptist, pastor, Savior)

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Originally Posted by Hoosier_guy

What I believe He is saying is that He doesn't want people to put more emphasis on things. Don't get wrapped up in your beautiful jewlery and money...because that could easily become more important than Him. Nothing we have should come before God in our lives. I believe that is the purpose of the quote.

I agree with this. Nothing should be more important to us than God. He even said in Psalm 37:4" Take delight in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart". He enjoys giving us material things, we just to remember not to let things get in the way of worshiping Him.

[irishmom]

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Originally Posted by Alpha8207

Wrong! I have not changed my posted view at all. Read back through the thread and you will see that I am discussing JC, Son of God and NOT Jesus the man. Which part of JC Son of God are you having difficulty understanding? If you want it put more simply........did the BIBLICAL Jesus exist? Is that easier for you to understand? Most other posters on this thread seem to understand what we are discussing. To avoid you being confused further I shall refer to Jesus the man as 'Brian' and the BIBLICAL Jesus as JC

As for taking the thread off topic, it was actually you and burdell that did that when you were discussing the difference between Islam, Judaism and Christianity. You then went on to discuss religious holidays.

Oooops my bad, I misread too! Sorry!

[pladecalvo]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

I'm glad we seem to all be in agreement regarding Jesus the Man. Jesus the Son of God, well....none of us can PROVE that......yet....

Now it's me that's confused!!

Alpha8207;663337]I'm tellin ya irishmom, if Jesus Christ isn't EXACTLY who the bible says He is....there is no reason.

You seem to be saying that JC did exist and was who the bible says he was i.e. miracle worker and son of god.

BTW I wouldn't say that I was ready to conceed that 'Brian' existed....only that if he did, he was nothing more than a rabble rousing itinerant preacher/philosopher who fell foul of the authorities.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by pladecalvo

Now it's me that's confused!!

You seem to be saying that JC did exist and was who the bible says he was i.e. miracle worker and son of god.

Yes I believe in the entire biblical picture of Jesus but I didn't realize that's what you were asking. I already apologized for being OT. The only thing I had posted here addressed the PERSON of Jesus. PERIOD.

Originally Posted by pladecalvo

BTW I wouldn't say that I was ready to conceed that 'Brian' existed....only that if he did, he was nothing more than a rabble rousing itinerant preacher/philosopher who fell foul of the authorities.

And that's all I have to say about the subject, really. Jesus the Man walked the Earth, and most folks (academic and otherwise) agree on that. And as far as Jesus the Son of God....well...for some, the jury's still out....

[pladecalvo]

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It seems YOU are missing the point yes he did all those things

Do you have any proof of this...outside of the bible?

but look at the land and the time period he was in the threat of death by the Romans was so great that even his apostle, Peter, denied him 3 times.

Was that before the cockrel crowed or before the cockrel crowed twice?

Finally all the apostles were hunted down and killed as they tried to spread the word of Jesus' love

So if they were killed, how did they manage to write the gospels when they were somewhere between 70-110 years old?

So do you really think that they were in a hurry to make coins or statues(which again would be breaking the 2nd commandment) thats could probably get the killed

The claim was made that there was more evidence for JC than there was for Alexander, Caesar etc. Nobody is actually claiming that if JC existed they would have made coins with his head on it.

The scholars were the Jews that were trying to get him crucified in the first place do you think they were going to write a story about how they murdered the Messiah?

.........and what happened with all the Roman writers that were around?

And your sentence about why didnt it spread during his lifetime is because the apostles were being hunted down for telling the story do you think that just a regular Joe on the street is going to say that they just learned the word of Christ

Or do you think they did kinda like an underground railroad thing. but during the reformatiom all these people who knew the Lords word started popping out of the woodwork and IT DID SPREAD LIKE WILDFIRE.

Actually, Christianity didn't "spread like wildfire". The main world religion until well into the 3rd century was Mithraism. Christianity wasn't the official religion until the days of Constantine 1 who convened the Council of Nicaea in 325CE. If you read about the history Christianity and Constantine you will find that Christianity didn't flourish because it was 'true'. It flourished because pagans were give a choice.....convert to Christianity or die. Christianity was spread by the sword not by the word!

[pladecalvo]

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And that's all I have to say about the subject, really. Jesus the Man walked the Earth, and most folks (academic and otherwise) agree on that. And as far as Jesus the Son of God....well...for some, the jury's still out....

How can you believe that he was just an ordinary man and the son of god?

[Alpha8207]

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Originally Posted by Alpha8207

How can you believe that he was just an ordinary man and the son of god?

I'm not sure what your deal is, pladecalvo, but I think I've been pretty clear on this.

Just to clear it up for ya, let me explain.

I believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and he was also a Son of Man. I believe Jesus Christ was God-incarnate (that means, in the flesh, as in real flesh and bone...as in...a man) and I believe that same Jesus did all the things recorded in Scriptures and many many that were not recorded.

So I guess the answer to your question of "How can you believe that He was just an ordinary man and the Son of God?"(lack of caps corrected) is "Because He was/is."

[mollysmiles]

I realize this is a very simplistic thought but I'm throwing it out there anyway.

I don't believe we are supposed to be able to prove that Jesus is the Son, I believe that is what is meant by "faith".

[sass-sqawtch]

Joesephus did not write about the crucifixion. That conspiracy (confounded by a MUCH later entry of unknown hand) has been brought to light far too many times to hash it out again! But lets cut to the quick. Of all my years at Baptists churches the hardest were when us youngins sat around discussing the probability of Noah; and it never did get any better; the story I mean. Many of us simply swallowed our questions and dared not hammer our pastor with them-or each other. The facts: given... the rain time (enormous) and the amount of rain fall (covers every mountain): we never could get around Mt. Everest. 5 and a half miles high! One pastor told me it wasn't there then. 60 Million year old mountain wasn't there?! Okay. But then there was all this water for a flood (when a bad cold would have wiped out everyone just as easy). Now it doesn't take a rocket doctor to figure out that that much fresh water would have killed every living thing in the ocean; including kelp beds and coral reefs. The sea would have been a cess pool. Given also that Noah landed on Mt. Arafat but didn't know it for three days. Why? Didn't he know the boat wasn't rocking? I know...a mute point. But then again, he lands on Arafat after the water receeded. That's a long drop in water from five and a half miles to Arafat's height. Then there was the conveninet "curse of Ham" which at times has been used by some members of Abrahamic religions to justify racism. I know, that was a long time ago.....right? In short, many Bible students that I knew conceeded to the fact that Noah's story was based on a square, flat earth theory. They just didn't tell anyone but their closest friends.

[tarhill]

At the end of the day it comes down to faith. You have to have faith in order to be saved, to have a relationship, not religion, with the God of the universe. The Word of God says:

"9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. " Romans 10: 9-10

The world will always try to explain away the Lord Jesus. When the rapture happens soon and millions of believers and children are suddenly missing, the world will explain that away as well. The Lord Jesus wants to know you and have a relationship with you. The question is do you want to have a realtionship with Him?

Check this out: http://fbcit.org/eternal.asp