If Homosexuality is confirmed as genetic or innate... (pray, afterlife, power)

[ian6479]

Originally Posted by JeepGirl118

Oh blah blah. . .what a circus act.

Facts are that homosexuals are the reason it started spreading in the US to begin with - now that does not make ME look ridiculous. Those trying to minimize and justify it are the ones who are ridiculous. Then again, so par for the course that a homosexual would try to turn it around and try to take less responsibility for such careless and immoral behavior. Trying to glamorize it by saying "oh but some celebs are too!" - So? Their actions in regard to their sexual behaviors are no better than yours. Want me to start listing heterosexuals? That would look as silly as what you are doing. I do not need to list them, its obvious by your list that you know who they are.

Say if all those in the homosexual community stopped having M2M sex (not just the gays, but also the bi-sexuals), it would cut down much of the new AIDS cases in the US. It would be much easier to contain and eventually zap out years down the road when being dealt with on a smaller scale. That is not unfathomable.

It just does not seem like the homosexual community even cares. They march on and on . . .but really, as the numbers rise, it shows they do not care. I am sure there are homosexuals who do - and I am sure there are some who give some of the more responsible ones a bad rap, but still...those numbers would go down a bit if more responsibility were taken and behaviors were changed.

Listen, teaching abstenance is far from improving the situation, and you certainly cannot assert the spread of AIDS in the US to homosexual behaviour. I don't understand why people have such a problem with gay men and women. What difference does it make as long as people are happy in their lives.

The spread of other STD's are far more prevalent between heterasexual couples, and HIV is no exeption. Why do even concern yourself with it? Even if they do catch AIDS, would it bother You?

[JeepGirl118]

Originally Posted by stretch00

Being old enough to remember the start of AIDS in the US, there were actually 3 groups that public health officials warned about. Homosexual men, IV drug users, and Haitians. I don't drag this up slam any group, but simply to remind people that HIV/AIDS is spread in several ways, and different groups may have different levels of infection for a variety of reasons.



Do you have proof for this? Can you show that HIV is not so prevalent in the heterosexual community that it will not increase on its own? Look at sub-saharan Africa. The infection rate there is incredible, and most of it is heterosexually transmitted.

HIV and its transmission is really complicated. Telling gay males to stop having sex is not realistic, and not the panacea you seem to think that it is.

I did show it above. Did you miss a few posts?

Even Africa has been discussed already.

Even the US census on the stats state that those in the heterosexual community that have HIV/AIDS were due to having high risk associations with those with HIV/AIDS. There are links above on stats of heterosexuals that contracted it because of use of a shared needle with a homosexual. Its all up in the links. We went through the Africa ordeal already in previous posts.

Homosexuals are still well in the majority. In fact, way ahead. I am amazed how not one has spoken up that they are being responsible or try to help others in their community to escalate their own responsibilities.

TB goes down at a rate in the US by 7.3% per year. . why can't AIDS?
Trends in Tuberculosis ---United States, 2005

[stretch00]

Originally Posted by JeepGirl118

I did show it above. Did you miss a few posts?

Even Africa has been discussed already.

Even the US census on the stats state that those in the heterosexual community that have HIV/AIDS were due to having high risk associations with those with HIV/AIDS. There are links above on stats of heterosexuals that contracted it because of use of a shared needle with a homosexual. Its all up in the links. We went through the Africa ordeal already in previous posts.

Homosexuals are still well in the majority. In fact, way ahead. I am amazed how not one has spoken up that they are being responsible or try to help others in their community to escalate their own responsibilities.

TB goes down at a rate in the US by 7.3% per year. . why can't AIDS?
Trends in Tuberculosis ---United States, 2005

Yes, I missed a few posts. 30+ pages of this thread and I was away for a few days. What page(s) should I read to catch up on your stats?

[jabogitlu]

Well, tuberculosis does have a vaccine, and has for over 80 years...

In England, the number of cases of TB has risen by 25% over the last decade.

[JeepGirl118]

Originally Posted by ian6479

Listen, teaching abstenance is far from improving the situation, and you certainly cannot assert the spread of AIDS in the US to homosexual behaviour. I don't understand why people have such a problem with gay men and women. What difference does it make as long as people are happy in their lives.

The spread of other STD's are far more prevalent between heterasexual couples, and HIV is no exeption. Why do even concern yourself with it? Even if they do catch AIDS, would it bother You?

It is not the gay man or woman that I have a problem with. How can anyone not assert the majority spread of HIV/AIDS (over 80%) by homosexual behavior? It's in black and white.

No, catch a link way above that shows the stats on VD that clearly indicates that the homosexual community is well ahead in that area too. Some are below to also show you.

Physicians For Life - Abstinence, Abortion, Birth Control - May 2007: STDs/STIs
http://www.traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/Diseases.pdf
Stats on Homosexual Promiscuity Risks

Yes, it bothers me for those who catch HIV/AIDS, it's a horrible thing!

[JeepGirl118]

Originally Posted by jabogitlu

Well, tuberculosis does have a vaccine, and has for over 80 years...

In England, the number of cases of TB has risen by 25% over the last decade.

And even though AIDS does not yet have a vaccine, do you not agree that the numbers can lower if more took precaution than they are?

Look at the guy here in AZ who has TB and was ordered to be in jail for exposing others to his illness:
Man with 'extreme' TB may be jailed until death | www.tucsoncitizen.com ®

If people keep brushing off things like TB or AIDS or what not....and keep having the attitude of "oh well, its not in my home, so who cares.." - when is enough -enough? It should not matter only when it hits your home.

[jabogitlu]

First off, tuberculosis is a different disease with an entirely different method of infection. I don't know what you were explaining by linking to the case of extremely virile tuberculosis which infected a man with little regard for others' safety.

I do agree that more precautions should be taken to mitigate the effect of HIV/AIDS globally. I don't think anyone, glbt or straight, disputes that. I am a strong proponent of safe-sex practices.

[JeepGirl118]

Originally Posted by jabogitlu

First off, tuberculosis is a different disease with an entirely different method of infection. I don't know what you were explaining by linking to the case of extremely virile tuberculosis which infected a man with little regard for others' safety.

I do agree that more precautions should be taken to mitigate the effect of HIV/AIDS globally. I don't think anyone, glbt or straight, disputes that. I am a strong proponent of safe-sex practices.

Because there are many people, just as that man, who have little regard for other's safety who carry diseases. It was the point of showing how little regard people with serious diseases will have. I cringe when I imagine those who have HIV/AIDS and they still will sleep around unprotected. With anything, yes, you have to look at the all-around causes, however, you need to look at the biggest monster of reason as well - and as anyone with eyesight on this sight can see, in the USA it stemmed from a homosexual and the homosexual/bisexual community takes the prize. Stats have been thrown out there now - so there is little to debate about that. All that was given in response to it from the gay community is that Ellen Degeneres and Rosie O'Donnel are gay too - trying to make it OK. That is not acknowledgment. That is fluff. If it is "genetic" - where are the genetic stats from them? I am game to look at everything from a 360 degree angle as I am sure many others would be too. All I have seen is "incorrect," "wrong," or "disagree" from them. When asked to pull things up - nope. They either disappear or go onto the next thing to try to justify.

I go through the state threads and I see many of them asking if certain towns or cities are gay-friendly. Well, ok - but, if it is genetic and a disease, why is this a concern of theirs? If they are proud of what they do and have no shame - why can they not live comfortably in any neighborhood. I couldn't tell you if the guy 5 doors down from me is gay - it's not like I will be peeking in his bedroom after hours. Why is this a concern of the homosexual? I do not ask if a town is accepting of my being Christian or my being a heterosexual...and look at all of the hate that Christians are up against. Heck, some people probably don't like me because I am heterosexual. SO what?

If homosexuals want more acceptance and understanding - they have to take a chance in educating those who are not. Have they here? NO. But I did get a comment thrown in my face that hopefully my kid will be gay so I could know what its like. Pretty lame. Not even lame, it was just foul. That is the way to gain understanding in others who are not gay? Blah-pooey! The world will not be changed overnight, but - striving to create more tolerance is good - no matter how much any Christian or other religion/faith may be against the homosexual act - and not the homosexual himself.

I am not against homosexuals as people. If I were, I would lose a very, very good hair colorist that I have had for 10 years.

[person]

Originally Posted by JeepGirl118

Because there are many people, just as that man, who have little regard for other's safety who carry diseases. It was the point of showing how little regard people with serious diseases will have. I cringe when I imagine those who have HIV/AIDS and they still will still sleep around unprotected. With anything, yes, you have to look at the all-around causes, however, you need to look at the biggest monster of reason as well - and as anyone with eyesight on this sight can see, in the USA it stemmed from a homosexual and it takes the lead in the homosexual community. Stats have been thrown out there now - so there is little to debate about that. All that was given in response to it from the gay community is that Ellen Degeneres and Rosie O'Donnel are gay too - trying to make it OK. That is not acknowledgment. That is fluff. If it is "genetic" - where are the genetic stats from them? I am game to look at everything from a 360 degree angle as I am sure many others would be too. All I have seen is "incorrect," "wrong," or "disagree" from them. When asked to pull things up - nope. They either disappear or go onto the next thing to try to justify.

I go through the state threads and I see many of them asking if certain towns or cities are gay-friendly. Well, ok - but, if it is genetic and a disease, why is this a concern of theirs? If they are proud of what they do and have no shame - why can they not live comfortably in any neighborhood. I couldn't tell you if the guy 5 doors down from me is gay - it's not like I will be peeking in his bedroom after hours. Why is this a concern of the homosexual? I do not ask if a town is accepting of my being Christian or my being a heterosexual...and look at all of the hate that Christians are up against. Heck, some people probably don't like me because I am heterosexual. SO what?

If homosexuals want more acceptance and understanding - they have to take a chance in educating those who are not. The world will not be changed overnight, but - creating more tolerance is good - no matter how much any Christian or other religion/faith may be against the homosexual act - and not the homosexual himself.

I am not against homosexuals. If I were, I would lose a very, very good hair colorist that I have had for 10 years.

I would have more concern with those worshiping the Flying SpaghettiOs Monster living next to me. Sorry, Person.

Its not nice to pluck a few cases of diseases and imply most homosexuals have them, Higher numbers of homosexuals in some cases does not translate into high numbers among all homosexuals, and I notice a lot of your links come from christian based sites, talk about no hating from christians.

And wow, you don't know why a gay person needs to ask whether a place is gay friendly, look at the types of obsessive posts here and even your own obsession with them here, plus the evidence you just posted of christians trying to interfere with their lives. Its no wonder they ask, how else can they not ask?

And of course you don't need to ask whether a place is accommodating for you. You want to compare your so called being hated to theirs? What a joke, you have the backing of countless Christian organizations throughout the country, in the government, and ever more christian folks in high places, not to mention just sheer majority numbers to help counter the so called hatred of christians, while the gays has what to protect them? Some celebrities and a few online folks trying to bring some sense to curb your insane obsession with gays? And don't forget, christians got the hate for trying to mess with OTHER people's lives. They started it. The gays did not try to start anything, they were trying to be themselves and not interfere with others, but you folks just keep pushing and pushing.

Its an insult to compare what you go through to theirs. You really need to convert to FSM to rid yourself of your obsession with gays.

[JeepGirl118]

Originally Posted by person

Its not nice to pluck a few cases of diseases and imply most homosexuals have them, Higher numbers of homosexuals in few cases does not translate into high numbers among all homosexuals, and I notice a lot of your links come from christian based sites, talk about no hating from christians.

Of course you don't need to ask whether a place is accommodating for you. You want to compare your so called being hated to theirs? What a joke, you have the backing of countless Christian organizations throughout the country, in the government, and ever more christian folks in high places, not to mention sheer numbers to help counter the so called hatred of christians, while the gays has what to protect them? Some online folks trying to bring some sense to your insane obsession with gays?

Its an insult to compare what you go through to theirs. You really need to convert to FSM to rid yourself of your obsession.

No, its not an insult. It's reality. And Christians and other religions have this backing "why?" Perhaps its because there is much logic into their beliefs and beliefs in what is acceptable and right in the eyes of God. And no, not talking about the FSM, which you know as well as anyone the FSM is a joke.