If Satan Is A Fallen Angel Then What Are Demons? (salvation, Revelations)

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by Teach07

If God is ever so all powerful and he is ALL-THAT-IS...why would he create all that is not? I am a spiritualist. Believe in the deity of Christ, of us (for those that are enlightened enough to know that we are not just our physical bodies) and I do not believe in Satan or hell. They do not exist in my world. Apocalyptic literature is what Revelation is to me just as there are romance novels on the shelf at the bookstore. It was common at the time.

I am here to tell you that Satan is real and I have physically seen demons as they were being cast out of a home. There are quite real. BTW, this is coming from someone who does not believe in the literal, orthodox teaching of hell as eternal punishment. Belief in something is not required for it to exist.

[satanoid]

So, what motivates satan to harm humanity?
Jealousy?
If he is still angry with god, wouldn't he try to make hell as appealing as possible? Filled with carnal pleasures and delights, doing his best to woo as many souls as possible to his domain?

Why would satan continue to serve god by punishing people who disobey god?

[kawgpz550]

Answer: Revelation 12:9 is the clearest Scripture on the identity of demons, "The great dragon was hurled down-that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." The Bible indicates that the demons are fallen angels – angels who along with Satan rebelled against God. Satan’s fall from heaven is described in Isaiah 14:12-15 and Ezekiel 28:12-15. Revelation 12:4 seems to indicate that Satan took one-third of the angels with him when he sinned. Jude verse 6 mentions angels who sinned. So, it is likely that demons are the angels who followed Satan in sin against God.

Satan and his demons now look to destroy and deceive all those who follow and worship God (1 Peter 5:8; 2 Corinthians 11:14-15). The demons are described as evil spirits (Matthew 10:1), unclean spirits (Mark 1:27), and angels of Satan (Revelation 12:9). Satan and his demons deceive the world (2 Corinthians 4:4), attack Christians (2 Corinthians 12:7; 1 Peter 5:8), and combat the holy angels (Revelation 12:4-9). Demons are spiritual beings, but they can appear in physical forms (2 Corinthians 11:14-15). The demons / fallen angels are enemies of God – but they are defeated enemies. Greater is He who is in us, than those who are in the world (1 John 4:4).

[kawgpz550]

Originally Posted by satanoid

So, what motivates satan to harm humanity?
Jealousy?
If he is still angry with god, wouldn't he try to make hell as appealing as possible? Filled with carnal pleasures and delights, doing his best to woo as many souls as possible to his domain?

Why would satan continue to serve god by punishing people who disobey god?

I think satan does a pretty good job at making hell seem appealing. If he didn't there wouldn't be so many people willing to "test" the waters and be willing to check it out...imo

[satanoid]

And just how does he do this, exactly?

Hell is universally described as a place of misery and fear throughout the world.

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by satanoid

And just how does he do this, exactly?

Hell is universally described as a place of misery and fear throughout the world.

Yes, but the fact that you call your self "satanoid" and that we are having this conversation at all is proof that most people don't REALLY believe in hell, otherwise, wouldn't everyone run around obsessively paranoid about going there?

[gospelsaves]

Originally Posted by satanoid

So, what motivates satan to harm humanity?
Jealousy?
If he is still angry with god, wouldn't he try to make hell as appealing as possible? Filled with carnal pleasures and delights, doing his best to woo as many souls as possible to his domain?

Why would satan continue to serve god by punishing people who disobey god?

Well for starters satan doesn't rule in hell. The bible said that hell was prepared for the devil and his angles. Satan is going to hell, he doesn't rule there. This idea of satan ruling in hell with a pitch fork is not from the bible. Nowhere in the bible does it even allude to satan having any power in hell. God rules everywhere EVEN in hell.

And as for satan's motive for harming humanity....you see it all the time on tv i'm sure. Some criminal can't get at the person they want...so they harm the person's family. Satan can't ever get to God and directly harm Him, so instead he harms someone He knows God loves...us! Satan's ultimate battle is with the Lord Jesus, not with us. But he cant and won't ever be able to harm God directly, so he harms us because he know's God loves us and that will hurt God indirectly.

If you can't get at the person you want to then harm what they love.

[GCSTroop]

I hate to refer back to one of my previous posts, but I still haven't even heard anything logical explaining where hell is actually located......

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by GCSTroop

I hate to refer back to one of my previous posts, but I still haven't even heard anything logical explaining where hell is actually located......

Has anyone given the old Hell, Michigan answer?

I personally believe in different dimensions of existense. Occasionally, we can see into this demention, and I am one of them. I saw demons twice as a child, physically with my eyes, like I am looking at this computer moniter right now.

That alone tells me that hell exists. But also it tells me that we are surrounded by the invisible. People report seeing spirits and ghosts all the time. I don't believe this all to be made up or explainable outside of the supernatural.

So, I believe that hell exists in another realm entirely. I believe that we are all spirits, who live in a body. We can't see our spirit, but we exist. It is in this same dimension that our spirits dwell that hell exists.

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by jeffncandace

Has anyone given the old Hell, Michigan answer?

I personally believe in different dimensions of existense. Occasionally, we can see into this demention, and I am one of them. I saw demons twice as a child, physically with my eyes, like I am looking at this computer moniter right now.

That alone tells me that hell exists. But also it tells me that we are surrounded by the invisible. People report seeing spirits and ghosts all the time. I don't believe this all to be made up or explainable outside of the supernatural.

So, I believe that hell exists in another realm entirely. I believe that we are all spirits, who live in a body. We can't see our spirit, but we exist. It is in this same dimension that our spirits dwell that hell exists.

Well, that's about the best answer I have heard so far that's not filled with nonsense. Although I will respectfully disagree with your particular viewpoint I can at least make some sort of sense out of it. The reason I feel this way is because physicists are (have?) unlocking a new theory about multi-dimensional parallel universes. I saw it on the Science channel, and although I'm a little skeptical about it, some of the things they said make some sense while others clearly don't. It is called "The 'M' equation" or "The 'M' factor" and discusses 11 dimensional "universes" all deriving from pre-Big Bang in which all matter was made up of 11 "strings" that eventually expanded outwards. Trying to understand it was a bit beyond my comprehension and I felt a bit hindered with the phone ringing and the dog needing to go outside when I was watching it. It seemed like every time they were about to go into something interesting the phone would ring or the dog would paw at the door. So, I wasn't able to watch all of it, but some of the top physicists in the world really tend to agree with it. As I said, it seemed quite a bit far-fetched, I haven't tried but maybe you can Wiki it?

Anyway, as far as "seeing ghosts or spirits", I have said numerous times that I think we all too often underestimate the power of the human brain and the circumstances in which we "see" certain things. As I have said before, a man lost in the desert may see an oasis and start drinking water, but in reality he's only biting sand.

Jeffncandace, I thought you might be interested in this, it is quite a bit to swallow and it talks a lot about the "string theories" to begin with. Towards the middle of the article it has different links to the different "string" theories and all in all it is quite a read, but you may be interested in it. As I said, it's quite a bit to take in and I don't really understand all of it. Even the TV show seemed like it had a hard time putting it into an understandable format. The minds of some people really blow me away.

M-theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia