If Satan Is A Fallen Angel Then What Are Demons? (soul, disciples)

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by GCSTroop

Well, that's about the best answer I have heard so far that's not filled with nonsense. Although I will respectfully disagree with your particular viewpoint I can at least make some sort of sense out of it. The reason I feel this way is because physicists are (have?) unlocking a new theory about multi-dimensional parallel universes. I saw it on the Science channel, and although I'm a little skeptical about it, some of the things they said make some sense while others clearly don't. It is called "The 'M' equation" or "The 'M' factor" and discusses 11 dimensional "universes" all deriving from pre-Big Bang in which all matter was made up of 11 "strings" that eventually expanded outwards. Trying to understand it was a bit beyond my comprehension and I felt a bit hindered with the phone ringing and the dog needing to go outside when I was watching it. It seemed like every time they were about to go into something interesting the phone would ring or the dog would paw at the door. So, I wasn't able to watch all of it, but some of the top physicists in the world really tend to agree with it. As I said, it seemed quite a bit far-fetched, I haven't tried but maybe you can Wiki it?

Anyway, as far as "seeing ghosts or spirits", I have said numerous times that I think we all too often underestimate the power of the human brain and the circumstances in which we "see" certain things. As I have said before, a man lost in the desert may see an oasis and start drinking water, but in reality he's only biting sand.

Jeffncandace, I thought you might be interested in this, it is quite a bit to swallow and it talks a lot about the "string theories" to begin with. Towards the middle of the article it has different links to the different "string" theories and all in all it is quite a read, but you may be interested in it. As I said, it's quite a bit to take in and I don't really understand all of it. Even the TV show seemed like it had a hard time putting it into an understandable format. The minds of some people really blow me away.

M-theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I tried your link, and it does look fascinating, but also very complicated, and I'm at work right now so I don't have time to delve in and grasp it! But I will...

As far as your disbelief in the supernatural, well, what can be said? You didn't experience it, and of course even if you did you might try later to rationalize what you saw. I can only tell you that I am myself quite logical, and even at the time (8 year old boy) I didn't realize till later what I had actually seen. I saw it so plainly--in broad daylight mind you--that I actually thought I had seen an animal who had learned to defy the laws of physics! I actually didn't realize at the time I saw it that I was looking into another realm. If you would care to read it, I have posted 1 story--there are 2--on the demons thread several pages back.

So, I can't deny what I have seen. Sure, there can be a thousand different rational explanations for the thousands of different supernatural occurances and events that have happened and I have witnessed within the bounds of my faith. But after awhile, so many different rational explanations actually become irrational when just 1 explanation--this Christian thing is real!--suffices just fine.

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by jeffncandace

I tried your link, and it does look fascinating, but also very complicated, and I'm at work right now so I don't have time to delve in and grasp it! But I will...

Yeah, I really don't get all of it either. Like I said, I watched the TV show on it and even the narrator sounded confused

[rlsmith]

Deuteronomy 28 proves that demons are the physical curses that God put
on HIS OLD testament people when they committed idolatry. Since Jesus obeyed the law he got authority over these demons(curses) and could
bind the strongman(LAW). Mat 12:29. Today since HEAVEN and Earth
passed away in 70 ad there are NO MORE curses from the LAW. This is
why there was war in Heaven(rev 12:7-11) so that HIS enemies could be made his footstool. Heb 10:12 Then the kingdom of God came Rev 12:10
Heaven was a metaphor to represent the OLD covenant. God promised
to break the power of you pride and make your heaven as IRON(Lev 26:19) Now we are living in the eternal KINGDOM age as described in
Isa 9:7. Jesus is sitting on the eternal throne of David since he put his precious blood on the heavenly mercy seat as heb 9:28 was fulfilled.
He appeared THE SECOND time without sin unto salvation. We should
recognize that THE SERPENT was ADAM. Lucifer is A MAN(king of Babylon)
Isa 14:12. Peter is SATAN Mat 16:23. Judas was A DEVIL (John 6:70).
This is the pattern of personification of evil which is God's way to
show us how depraved is our WICKED behavior. Ps 58:3 says the wicked
are estrangfed from the womb. Their POISON is l i k e the POISON of
a serpent. Mat 23:23 says YE SERPENTS, Ye generation of vipers. These
were wicked MEN, not any supernatural fallen angels. If you continue in MY WORD then ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you FREE
John 8:31

[Towhee]

Oh my !!! I was here in 70 and I sure did not notice heaven and earth passing away !!! I must have slept through it !

[Nomander]

Originally Posted by GCSTroop

I hate to refer back to one of my previous posts, but I still haven't even heard anything logical explaining where hell is actually located......

Not sure if you will find many people with knowledge on it. I know I never concerned myself with those details and many Christians don't as well. It is really an irrelevant matter to be honest.

It is interesting though, not saying I think people shouldn't see if there is a direct reference to it in the scripture or the like, but it is one of those things that is kind of a waste of time in spending too much effort on.

Edit: then again, I am answering that from a Christian perspective, so that might not be too helpful by looks of what you were getting at.

[Huckleberry3911948]

the elements that inflict pain and suffering on us are the demons. satan is the one in charge of them. tools if you would like. the great accomplishment of satan in this age was to convince us he does not exist.

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[cncracer]

If Satan Is A Fallen Angel Then What Are Demons?

Rome.

[johnrex62]

Originally Posted by Teach07

If God is ever so all powerful and he is ALL-THAT-IS...why would he create all that is not? I am a spiritualist. Believe in the deity of Christ, of us (for those that are enlightened enough to know that we are not just our physical bodies) and I do not believe in Satan or hell. They do not exist in my world. Apocalyptic literature is what Revelation is to me just as there are romance novels on the shelf at the bookstore. It was common at the time.

Interesting perspective. Prior to Sir Issac Newton gravity was an unknown concept and thus "did not exist in their world", yet it had a pervasive and profound effect on everyone regardless of their beliefs.

The fact that we are discussing this concept does indicate it exists in your world but that you consciously reject it's validity. I believe that you could just as well reject the validity of gravity today and it would do just as much good, but we will have to agree to disagree in that respect.

Although I choose to accept the validity of the biblical accounting of Satan, Hell, demons, salvation and many other aspects of spirtuality; I recognize your right to choose differently. I pray that you will "see the light" and come around to what I feel is the more correct viewpoint, and accept that you likely maintain a fervent wish I would come around to an understanding more in common with yours. Our beliefs matter little in the grand scheme of things. What is IS and what we feel so strongly about is only our opinion.

I know I wasn't consulted at the time of creation and somehow I doubt you were either so I am not going to get all worked up if my values are not 100% reflected in the ultimate reality of the universe. I only create my vision of my spiriturality based on what my limited logic can encompass and am willing to adjust my vision when a more convincing logic can be demonstrated or God moves me to accept different facts. This has only occurred in very minor ways over the years. I have had no earthshattering revelations that prompted me to vary my beliefs in any significant ways, only in small "fine tuning" movements. I find that comforting since many of my friends have change philosophies in major swings over the years and still seem unconvinced they have chosen correctly.

I hope that my peace is genuine, but have little evidence to make me feel it is not. Good luck in your journey and perchance we will meet at the end.

[Towhee]

Johnrex62, I like what you said about "I wasn't consulted at the time of creation". It reminds me of God's answers to Job, in the book of Job.

I am rather amazed at all the efforts to pick the bible to pieces. I never knew that it was being done until I came on this forum. I am quite content with it being the word of God. His ways are so much higher than mine, and His thoughts are also so much higher than mine.

[cncracer]

I think you spent too much time looking for demons and devils that don’t exist. You want to find evil look at man and specifically at religion. The majority of the evil humans committed have been in the name of one god or another.