Biblical Christian Universalism (prophet, Jerusalem, Holy Spirit, Ghost)

[Birdy_56]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

I do not think Christian Universalism is Biblical. I do not believe EVERYONE is going to Heaven even though Jesus did die for everyone, everyone will not accept Him.

Even though God wills the salvation of all mankind, and even though He instructs us to pray in that vein, unfortunately mans little will prevails.

"Who will have all mankind to be saved"

Will have = Thelo=

A strengthened form of haireomai (to take for oneself)

To will. To intend. To purpose

To be resolved and determined.

For by Him everybody and everything were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—everybody and everything have been created through Him and for Him. He is before everybody and everything, and in Him everybody and everything is held together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everybody and everything. For it was the Father's good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile everybody and everything to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, everybody and everything on earth or in heaven.

[ShanaBrown]

Thank you for sharing, Birdy. God bless.

[Birdy_56]

Hi there Sis...God is love! Who can resist His will? The case for Biblical Universalism

HERE

[Birdy_56]

I Believe In The Restitution Of All Things

"Through the Son God made the whole universe, and to the Son he has ordained all creation shall ultimately belong."

He has made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in heaven and things on earth, to find their one head in Him. And you too, who in Him were made heirs, having been chosen beforehand in accordance with the intention of Him whose might carries out in everything the design of His own will.

Dr. Arthur Tappan Pierson -The Bible & Spiritual Life-

"This view (Restitution of All) is so clearly scriptural that the only surprise is that it has not been more definitely and widely held. It adds immeasurably, both to the glory of Christ as the coming King, and the Father as the former and framer of the ages. It is the period typified by the eighth day of the Mosaic Code: the perfect glory of Christ, reserved for 'the morrow after.' The millennial 'Sabbath.' And while the millenial period is limited to a thousand years, there are no definite limits to this final age of glory."

-Dr. P. B. Fitzwater- (Professor of Systematic Theology- Moody Bible Institute) Christian Theology P. 407

"Then there is the Universalist who declares that the redemption provided by Christ avails for the salvation of all men. This means that what God has done for the salvation of sinful men accrues to the benefit of all men. This view of Universalism is quite widespread. Many leaders in the evangelical church hold to this view, even though they have not dared to declare it."

From the Lutheran ELCA website......

The Christian hope for salvation, whether for the believing few or the unbelieving many, is grounded in the person and meaning of Christ alone, not in the potential of the world's religions to save, nor in the moral seriousness of humanists and people of good will, not even in the good works of pious Christians and church people. ... There is a universalist thrust in the New Testament, particularly in Paul's theology. How else can we read passages such as 'for as all die in Adam, so all will be made alive in Christ' (1 Cor 15:22)?" (See also Colossians 1:15-20, Ephesians 1:9-10, 1 Corinthians 15:28.) -Carl Braaten-

The universal scope of salvation in Christ ELCA Lutherans will say with Braaten,

Salvation in the New Testament is what God has done to death in the resurrection of Jesus. Salvation is what God has in store for you and me and the whole world in spite of death, solely on account of the living risen Christ. ... The universal scope of salvation in Christ includes the destiny of our bodies together with the whole earth and the whole of creation. This cosmic hope is based on the promise of eternal life sealed by the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. Through raising Jesus from the dead, God put death to death, overcoming the deadliest enemy of life at loose in the world. This hope for the final salvation of humanity and the eternal universal restitution of all things in heaven and on earth ... is drawn from the unlimited promise of the Gospel and the magnitude of God's grace made known to the world through Christ.

A Survey of Bible Doctrine" by Charles Ryrie, Professor of Systematic Theology: Dallas Theological Seminary.

In the section on future things, he dismisses the Restitution of all things which he refers to as "Classic Universalism" as unbiblical.

However

In his K.J.V. Ryrie Study Bible, which was published a few years after his doctrine book, he says a very interesting thing in his footnote on Colossians 1:20

Col 1:20 .... "to reconcile all things unto himself. Christ is the remedy for alienation from God, and eventually all things will be changed and brought into a unity in Him, even though this will involve judgment."

Christ Triumphant by Rev. Thomas Allin

TLC - Download File, "Christ Triumphant", by Thomas Allin

How Big Is Your God? Brennan Manning [Author of Ragamuffin Gospels]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoPcn7g0OVA

[Alpha8207]

LOL

This was my very first thread on Universalism. Until this thread, I had never even heard of it.

Too funny.....and wow, it brings back memories!

[Birdy_56]

Alpha: it is wonderful to bring back memories, I trust they were not too painful for you.

As for me, the old codger that I am, the Restitution of all things has been before my eyes for at least 30 years. I actually believed in it before the light broke upon me while working around the world many moons ago!

You will never believe the passage of Scripture I had read over, and over, and over again (literally hundreds of times)! Yup, I thought "especially" means ONLY.

[ShanaBrown]

LOL

This was my very first thread on Universalism. Until this thread, I had never even heard of it.

Too funny.....and wow, it brings back memories!

I wonder what happened to Jeffncandace. I think that only interacted him with one or two times God bless.

[nightflight]

Its fun to watch this debate. On the one hand you have Christians who let their humanity shape their theology; on the other you have sociopaths who get enraged when its suggested that there won't be people burning forever. But if universalism were really true, you would think God would have made it plain, so much so that people couldn't think otherwise.

[Birdy_56]

Originally Posted by nightflight

Its fun to watch this debate. On the one hand you have Christians who let their humanity shape their theology; on the other you have sociopaths who get enraged when its suggested that there won't be people burning forever. But if universalism were really true, you would think God would have made it plain, so much so that people couldn't think otherwise.

We are glad you are having fun watching. As for making things plain, the Master of the Reconciliation spoke to the masses in parable. Do you know why?

NightFlight: can you define Pi to within 250 billion digits from the decimal point? Lets begin 3.14159>>>>>>>>>>>>>

To one million HERE

[Birdy_56]

#1 -Rom. 11:36

"From Him everything comes, through Him everything exists and in Him everything ends."

Ta pavnte= the all things.

Ta pavnte = in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the universe. Of everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming. From Him ta pavnte comes, through Him ta pavnte exists, and in Him ta pavnte ends.

#2. -Eph. 1:-

"He has made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you too, who in Him were made heirs, having been chosen beforehand in accordance with the intention of Him whose might carries out in everything the design of His own will."

The all things in the heavens, the all things in the earth, and you who once were dead in trespasses and sins. That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one, the ta pavnte en/in Christ.

Ta pavnte = in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the universe. Of everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming.

#3 -Col. 1:20

"God purposed through Him to reconcile the universe to Himself, making peace through His blood...to reconcile to Himself through Him, I say, things on earth and things in heaven. And you..."

The all things (the ta pavnte) in the heavens, the all things (the ta pavnte) in the earth, and you who once were dead in trespasses and sins. God has purposed to reconcile the universe (the ta pavnte) to Himself. The ta pavnte/ the all, encompasses the ta pavnte on the earth and the ta pavnte in the heavens. The ta pavnte= the all, the whole enchilada.

Ta pavnte = in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the universe. Of everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming.