Don't let evidence stand in your way! (Buddhist, genesis, atheist)

[Virote]

Originally Posted by solidsquid

I cannot be certain but that site is so extremely absurd that I would be more inclined to think it a parody.

if they are in affiliation with

God Hates Shrimp

Then I think they might be

[Virote]

Originally Posted by jeffncandace

Okay, that site hysterically funny. Best tongue-in-cheek commentary on religion I have seen yet. They truly keep it serious! Tell me they aren't really...

Here's 2 quotes that have me in stitches: "Although our group associates the term "science" with the black arts and the occult, we have used it to disprove itself. Here's a "scientific" test that anyone can do right now. Go outside and simply look at the landscape. Does it seem flat or round to you?"

And..." 5. Why do you refer to Columbus, Copernicus, and Galileo, as "the devil's messiahs," or "Satan's sons?"
"Because they are the most noted perpetuators of the global theory myth, and are burning in eternal hellfire for their lies. These men brazenly declared that the laws of nature conflict with the teachings of the Bible."

No way!

You have many questions in your thread-starter. Care to narrow it down a bit to add clarity to what you are wanting to know?

Should protection of religious beliefs play a role in public schools?

[Virote]

Originally Posted by Blueberry

I hate to disagree with you, but there is no Church of the Undead Hamster. It's the Church of the Undead Monkey! (Haven't you watched Pirates II?)

There is in Demenza...who is this false monkey prophet you speak of???

[JerZ]

Originally Posted by Virote

There is in Demenza...who is this false monkey prophet you speak of???

Watch out, Virote, for it is written, that there shall come many false Monkeys, and they shall cloak themselves as creatures, YEA, even cloak thee them as Undead Hamsters, but Monkeys they are not. Do not be misled!

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by Virote

Should protection of religious beliefs play a role in public schools?

Well, it's hard to understand this question because religion is a seperate thing from education. (Unless we're talking religious education). I definately think some schools have gone so far as to PERSECUTE religious beliefs. It just depends on the schools, students, faculty, the subject at hand...

I don't think I answered this well.

[Mark S.]

Originally Posted by Virote

Should protection of religious beliefs play a role in public schools?

Absolutely. Constitutional right.

Let's read the First Amendment again:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

[dshimel]

Originally Posted by irishmom

Definitely so. Science is the search for truth so it can only compliment faith.

Science = Start with NO belief. Come up with possibilities. Test. Toss out what ever is not supported by data. Hold beliefs ONLy as strongly as the data supports. be willing to change belief as soon as better data comes along.


Faith = Start with belief that must never be questioned. Allow other beliefs if and only if they fit within the fundamental faith belief. Toss out any evidence or possibility that does not fir the fundamental faith belief.


How are these in any way compatible, let alone comlimentary....

Wait... You have the belief that YOUR faith IS the truth, therefor science can only show it to be correct.

Let's switch to a false belief... pick one, any one. let's go with belief in the Greek Gods of Mt. Olympus.

How is faith (belief without evidence) in that false belief complimentary to science (belief only based on evidence)?

Well, guess what. If you have a faith based belief, it is JUST as wrong as belief in Zeus, Hara, and the other gods of Mt. Olympus. Sure, it may be a touch more evolved, and thus harder to flat out disprove, but it is likely just as incorrect.


Faith and science are 100% polar opposites. They in no way compliment each other.

[Blueberry]

Originally Posted by JerZ

Watch out, Virote, for it is written, that there shall come many false Monkeys, and they shall cloak themselves as creatures, YEA, even cloak thee them as Undead Hamsters, but Monkeys they are not. Do not be misled!

Verily, I speak the truth. There is only ONE Undead Monkey. He sailed with a crew of the damned and they were all transformed to life! Great is the power of the Monkey!

The Undead Monkey warned of others coming and falsely proclaiming the message of the undead hamster. The undead hamster does not bring truth. It gets tangled into the hair of its proselytes and scrambles their brains so they are blinded to the truth and live in the land of Dementia evermore!

[jeffncandace]

Originally Posted by dshimel

Faith and science are 100% polar opposites. They in no way compliment each other.

This is YOUR OPINION, not fact. To me, science only proves the existance of God. Obviously, to Irishmom as well.

Please remember not to condescend. We are all entitled to our beliefs and opinions.

Also, this is getting off topic. Please see the orginal thread.

[Blueberry]

Originally Posted by dshimel

Faith = Start with belief that must never be questioned. Allow other beliefs if and only if they fit within the fundamental faith belief. Toss out any evidence or possibility that does not fir the fundamental faith belief.

It's clear you don't understand the concept of faith (at least not the Christian faith--I can't speak for many others).

Very few people of the Christian faith, at least, state that belief must never be questioned. The Christian God even threw out a challenge, "Test Me." Many, many Christians have started out questioning the precepts of Christianity, and those that are born into it generally question it at some point in their lives. Often it's the answers to questions that lead them to embracing the faith. Christians that have a true relationship to God are rarely following out of blind ignorance.

As far as allowing for other beliefs, I've got no problems with other beliefs. However, not all beliefs are created equally IMHO, so I will accept the ones that fit into my own belief system, and discard those that don't. (I hate to break it to you, but I don't believe in Santa Claus.) Some concepts are quite new to me, and I have to explore them a little to see if I really can reconcile them to my yardstick, which is the Bible. However, even the Bible indicates that not all believers will adhere to all concepts equally; there are gray areas (e.g., one will eat meat while another won't) and that's perfectly OK. But, just as there are gray areas, there are some concepts that are bedrock to the foundation of the Christian faith. On these, there is no compromise.

As far as tossing out any any evidence or possibility that does not fit the fundamental faith belief, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on what constitutes evidence and how certain data are interpreted. There are often several ways to interpret data. There is much disagreement in many areas of the scientific community, with several sides having equally valid comments and interpretations. That's why the scientists continue to study and test even the things that appear to be set in stone.