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You might want to read up on history.
The middle-east was mostly christian at one time.
It was not taken over by peaceful methods.
The crusades were largely an effort to "take back the holy land".
There was some greed involved and some barbaric acts but..
Reclaiming lands that were taken was the main goal.
Europe was also very close to being taken over at many points.
It took hundreds of years to reclaim Spain.
We can go back and forth all day with "But Christians did bad things too "
Im only trying to shed light on the one-sided view of the crusades.
Theres a list of evils done by the church,however feel free to compare the..
Life and teaching of Jesus VS the Prophet of the religon of peace.
You might want to read up on history.
The middle-east was mostly christian at one time.
It was not taken over by peaceful methods.
The crusades were largely an effort to "take back the holy land".
There was some greed involved and some barbaric acts but..
Reclaiming lands that were taken was the main goal.
Europe was also very close to being taken over at many points.
It took hundreds of years to reclaim Spain.
Yes, and why was a portion of the Middle-East Christian? In part because of the Roman/Byzantine conquest of the region and conversion to Christianity after it became the official religion. Part of the reason that many in the Levant converted to Islam so quickly after the Arab Muslims invaded was to undermine the domination of the Byzantine rulers.
The French, English, German and Italian crusaders fought mostly as a war of conquest--the crusades were mainly a military adventure inspired by the Pope's blessing. Look at the sack of the Byzantine Greek captial of Constantinople in 1204. The Spanish reconquista was actually a fight to reclaim and liberate the Iberian peninsula..But the crusaders in question in the Middle East couldn't reclaim lands that Western European kingdoms never owned to begin with.
Something along these lines I presume? From the Bible:
"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.'"
- Numbers 25:3-4
The problem is, most of you have absolutely no clue or are biased with extreme views towards Islam when you could find very similar rhetoric within your own belief system. The Bible itself, often, presents two contradictory sides to dealing with non-believers among other things. Quran does share plenty with the Old Testament, where absolute hatred and atrocities ruled the day. And just like many "Christians" who take the Old Testament literally (and contradict Jesus' ways), there are Muslims who do the same. Need another example?
"And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman"
- 2 Chronicles 15:12-13
Nothing like that at all. There is no Christian command to kill enemies. Christians view the Old Testament as a shadow of things to come.
Nothing in the New Testament offers a treatise on war with people of other faiths.
Im aware they recognize him.
My point is to compare their lives and examples.
Islam doesn't just "recognize" Jesus, He is recognized as one of the prophets.
Comparisons drawn by individuals like you or a Muslim extremist don't carry any more weight than pure opinions of a common individual driven by personal bias. Your view might recognize someone abiding by the Ten Commandments as a Christian. It didn't work for the rich guy who reached out to Jesus, who despite adhering to the "rules", failed miserably with the basic rule that Jesus believed in.
Nothing like that at all. There is no Christian command to kill enemies. Christians view the Old Testament as a shadow of things to come.
Nothing in the New Testament offers a treatise on war with people of other faiths.
Those verses sound too nonsensical to be a part of Christianity, don't they?
For as long as the Old Testament is a part of the Bible, it is a part of Christian belief system, even though a lot of it contradicts Jesus' ways. Those verses are as valid and living in Christianity as everything else that sounds "agreeable", like the Ten Commandments, the stories of Abraham, Noah, David.
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