God being Omnipotent is impossible. (priest, gospel, Israel, Jewish)

[Greatest I am]

Originally Posted by Avasa

It is some, I admit. Not enough though that I do not know who Satan is.

Revelation 12:9 (King James Version)


9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

So he deceives the whole world except for you.
Wow.
That must also mean that he deceived the Bible writers and the Bible you idolize.

Regards
DL

[LogicIsYourFriend]

Originally Posted by Avasa

Good or bad would depend on the talent of the artist.

There's a whole lot of 'bad' in this world.

[Nikk]

Originally Posted by Avasa

With Satan, it was in the garden of eden. With some of the other angels, it was before the flood when some of the angels came down to earth and started taking wives for themselves.

Satan fell and took a third of the angels with him between day 3 of creation week when he was created and the time he met with Adam and Eve in the garden. The amount of time is undetermined, but is less then 100 yrs. Because Adam and Eve had Cain then Abel after they left the Garden of Eden and Finially Seth. It says that Seth was born when Adam was 130 yrs. old. And Cain and Abel were full enough grown to talk and argue and for Cain to kill Abel. So lets say 30 yrs. old. That gives about 100 yrs between creation week and Satan to come in and tempt Adam and Eve in the Garden.

The angels did not take wives. Jesus is clear that Angels do not give or take in marriage.

Jesus said: "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven." (Matthew 22:30)

So, the Nephalim as mentioned in Genesis are just fallen men -im is the plural and Nephal just means "to fall". These fallen men probably began to kill, steal, etc. to become fallen. Sometime the name is translated as "Sons of God". But this is just a title to mean "Man". For example Adam was the Son of God. Women are called "The daughters of Man" because Eve came out of Adam.

So, the text shows that the men prior to the flood saw the woman and took themselves wives.

The theory that Nephalim are Angels goes to the Non-Cannonized fictional book of Enoch. In this book it claims that Satan and the fallen angels not only took wives, but taught men to do all manner of things from minning to practicing the evil arts. It even claims that angels helped build the ark which is unbiblical, because God told Noah to build the Ark in Genesis. The book of Enoch is an interesting read, but it is not scripture. However, the early Christian church was aware of that document and it even gets quoted by James and I think the written of Hebrews (Apollos).

[Nikk]

Originally Posted by ChristyGrl

You didn't answer my direct question....perhaps it is because you can't.

Provide scripture where this statement, that you made, can be found:

He created angels and some of them chose to disobey God, Satan being the first. When he disobeyed God, that's when he became Satan. It's all in the Bible for all to read.

Show us all where it says the angels disobeyed God including where satan disobeyed as the first and then was named satan after that point...afterall, according to you it is all in the bible for us to read...so please provide the scripture where it states this.

Lucifer was Satan's name as the Arch Angel. Technically it is still his name.

I think that the name Satan is just the inversion of the word "Nagash" or Snake from the Hebrew. Pheonetically when we invert Nagash we Get Shagan. In other languages, Satan is pronounce Shatan or like Sh(aye)tan. Since the snake was posessed by Lucifer to deceive Adam and Eve, it is also the first to fall in the garden hence the inversion of the name. Since the Snake lost its glory as being the most subtle and beautify animals in the garden, it fell and was cursed.

Since Lucifer used the snake he was identified with it and retained the name of the snake.

This is just my idea. I don't think anyone else has looked at this for the name Satan.

The inversion of a name is a Semetic literary device, so I don't think I am far off from what really happened.

[old_cold]

Originally Posted by Nikk

Lucifer was Satan's name as the Arch Angel. Technically it is still his name.

I think that the name Satan is just the inversion of the word "Nagash" or Snake from the Hebrew. Pheonetically when we invert Nagash we Get Shagan. In other languages, Satan is pronounce Shatan or like Sh(aye)tan. Since the snake was posessed by Lucifer to deceive Adam and Eve, it is also the first to fall in the garden hence the inversion of the name. Since the Snake lost its glory as being the most subtle and beautify animals in the garden, it fell and was cursed.

Since Lucifer used the snake he was identified with it and retained the name of the snake.

This is just my idea. I don't think anyone else has looked at this for the name Satan.

The inversion of a name is a Semetic literary device, so I don't think I am far off from what really happened.

Do I have this right?
When asked for scripture to back up what you say and there isn't any, you can make something up that you think is probably correct?

[Nikk]

Originally Posted by ChristyGrl

You didn't answer my direct question....perhaps it is because you can't.

Provide scripture where this statement, that you made, can be found:

He created angels and some of them chose to disobey God, Satan being the first. When he disobeyed God, that's when he became Satan. It's all in the Bible for all to read.

Show us all where it says the angels disobeyed God including where satan disobeyed as the first and then was named satan after that point...afterall, according to you it is all in the bible for us to read...so please provide the scripture where it states this.

First in the bible the term Stars refers to Angels.

Revelation: 12:3-4:

"And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth."

Angels are refered to as "stars". "Stars of heaven" are the Angels in heaven.

Also, Revelation 1:20: The mystery of the sevenstars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches

Of course Isaiah 14:12-19 refers to Lucifers fall:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

Satan wanted to put his throne above the "stars of God" or other angels in heaven.

He also wanted to be like the "most high" or like God himself. But this pride caused him to be cast out of heaven.

And Ezekiel 28:12b-19:

Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Lucifer was in the Garden of God,
Pipes (horns) - often we refer to Satan as having horns on his head, this is were it comes from.
Lucifer was the anointed Cherub (Angel).
Where is says "Thy brightness" refers to Lucifer meaning "bright"

[Rafius]

Originally Posted by Nikk

First in the bible the term Stars refers to Angels.

More apologetics?? How do you know "stars" doesn't just refer to stars?

[Avasa]

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

LOL.

Angels with dicks and DNA how droll.
What a retarded statement.

Regards
DL

Genesis 6:1-2 (King James Version)


Genesis 6


1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

[Avasa]

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

Yep, good morals.

Would you allow evil to befall your children?
To follow your God you have to say yes.

Enjoy their misery just as your God does.
Be just as insane.

Regards
DL

God isn't evil, Satan is.

[Avasa]

Originally Posted by Greatest I am

If the serpent was being used and controlled by an outside force then it was innocent of sin or evil.

Why then did God punish an innocent animal. That would not be justice?

Regards
DL

God wasn't literally speaking to the animal. He was speaking to Satan.