Did Adam and Eve have sex in Eden? (paradise, salvation, Holy Spirit)
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They [Adam & Eve] were married and married couples have sex for procreation as well as for pleasure.
I'm not sure this is correct. In Eden Adam and Eve were in a "union" (and I don't mean the Carpenter's Local 1506 ) . There was no need for marriage per se because they were incapable of committing adultery, for obvious reasons. "Marriage" was instituted after the fall because God realized that in our fallen state fornication would abound, so marriage was created to help prevent this, also to set up a means whereby family units could be formed.
Now this leads us to Jesus' comment, "When the dead rise they will neither marry nor be given in marriage...".
If we are going to return to a new heaven and new earth in eternity when we are resurrected, and if you believe in the restoration of all things as Paul speaks of, then it stands to reason that we will inhabit a new Eden; we will have bodies like (or similar to Adam and Eve's; we will NOT "marry or be given in marriage" as marriage is a post-fallen institution; BUT we will be in a union/relationship with our mate, if we choose to have one; we will enjoy a physical sexual union of bodies as Adam and Eve did prior to the fall, but likely we will not be procreating. In this way, Jesus' words are kept, but so will the physical union between the sexes, as marriage will not be needed in that state. Bottom line, Jesus did not announce in Matt. 22:30 that sex would stop in the New Earth, merely that we wouldn't need marriage in order to enjoy it.
And (unto man): O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden and eat from whence ye will, but come not nigh this tree lest ye become wrong-doers.
Then Satan whispered to them that he might manifest unto them that which was hidden from them of their shame, and he said: Your Lord forbade you from this tree only lest ye should become angels or become of the immortals.
And he swore unto them (saying): Lo! I am a sincere adviser unto you.
Thus did he lead them on with guile. And when they tasted of the tree their shame was manifest to them and they began to hide (by heaping) on themselves some of the leaves of the Garden. And their Lord called them, (saying): Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you: Lo! Satan is an open enemy to you?
They said: Our Lord! We have wronged ourselves. If thou forgive us not and have not mercy on us, surely we are of the lost!
He said: Go down (from hence), one of you a foe unto the other. There will be for you on earth a habitation and provision for a while.
He said: There shall ye live, and there shall ye die, and thence shall ye be brought forth.
O Children of Adam! We have revealed unto you raiment to conceal your shame, and splendid vesture, but the raiment of restraint from evil, that is best. This is of the revelations of Allah, that they may remember.
O Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you as he caused your (first) parents to go forth from the Garden and tore off from them their robe (of innocence) that he might manifest their shame to them. Lo! he seeth you, he and his tribe, from whence ye see him not. Lo! We have made the devils protecting friends for those who believe not.
Their shame could have been that they were ashamed that they disobeyed God that that they were literally naked. Yes? No?
Why are the ubber religious so hung up on sex? Why would anyone care?
Such a child like 'tittering over unmentionable things', you are supposed to be adults, act like it.
Oh wait, you also have to give up the fairy tales and view reality first.
Sex is the ONE thing all persons have in common and easiest way to control people is to control those feelings.
Any of ya'll notice how small children can run around naked even play with each other(not in a sexual way) and think nothing of it? Then their parents teach them about modesty(which at some level is a good thing), then they become embarrassed or shy about their nudity.
Many Christians believe that sex is intended, by God, for procreation only. This is why practicing Catholics do not believe in using birth control.
If this is the case, there are only three scenarios possible for Adam and Eve while in the Garden of Eden:
1) They did not have sex in the Garden of Eden because no children were born to them until after they were evicted. Remember, they had to have been the best of health therefore fertility would have been assured.
2) Adam and Eve did have plenty of sex. Therefore, God allowed sex for purposes other than procreation. God did not yet program Adam and Eve to conceive while they were still in the Garden.
3) Adam and Eve had sex, conceived, but were not in the Garden long enough (nine months) for the pregnancy to result in childbirth.
Any thoughts?
4) They were running around naked together, completely oblivious of the fact, so the thought of having sex obviously never even occured to them. (See, there's always another scenario.)
who says they did the deed to get kicked out of Eden?...what if the forbidden fruit was knowledge? Eve got too nosy and started thinking for herself and saw it was all a sham...and got kicked out of the commune or she packed her bags and left (but being a selfrighteous SOB, the boss said it was all his doing not her choice) ..and Adam was also starting to wonder about what it was all about and he went with her...banned from "polluting" the rest of the believers
Sex is the ONE thing all persons have in common and easiest way to control people is to control those feelings.
Any of ya'll notice how small children can run around naked even play with each other(not in a sexual way) and think nothing of it? Then their parents teach them about modesty(which at some level is a good thing), then they become embarrassed or shy about their nudity.
There is a difference in teaching children the appropriate times to wear cloths and the uptight religious that teach them that nudity is "dirty".
It was the uptight missionaries that got the Polynesians to cover up, when totally unnecessary and even uncomfortable in tropical areas.
There is a difference in teaching children the appropriate times to wear cloths and the uptight religious that teach them that nudity is "dirty".
It was the uptight missionaries that got the Polynesians to cover up, when totally unnecessary and even uncomfortable in tropical areas.
Which is why I said "at some level".
If you look at most of these folks past they were taught the human body nude is dirty and if you show it or want to look at it you are bad, same applies to anything sexual.
4) They were running around naked together, completely oblivious of the fact, so the thought of having sex obviously never even occured to them. (See, there's always another scenario.)
They were adults with adult hormones. They figured it out.
Their innocence would have meant that it never occurred to them that there would be anything wrong with enjoying each other.
Many Christians believe that sex is intended, by God, for procreation only. This is why practicing Catholics do not believe in using birth control.
If this is the case, there are only three scenarios possible for Adam and Eve while in the Garden of Eden:
1) They did not have sex in the Garden of Eden because no children were born to them until after they were evicted. Remember, they had to have been the best of health therefore fertility would have been assured.
2) Adam and Eve did have plenty of sex. Therefore, God allowed sex for purposes other than procreation. God did not yet program Adam and Eve to conceive while they were still in the Garden.
3) Adam and Eve had sex, conceived, but were not in the Garden long enough (nine months) for the pregnancy to result in childbirth.
Any thoughts?
its all a story no matter what theory we come up with it will have loops and holes in it because its a make belief story
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