How can you be sure of what happens after death if.... (church, gospels)
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You're not getting it, are you? I'm sure you know what an entity (ghost) is, right? There's your answer. All you have to do is experience it.
You're the one not getting it. How can you be on here posting about anything if you are dead? Dead is dead! Being "declared dead" is not. Unless you are saying that you are the "ghost".
You're the one not getting it. How can you be on here posting about anything if you are dead? Dead is dead! Being "declared dead" is not. Unless you are saying that you are the "ghost".
Since you don't seem to have an open mind and have never experienced what I am trying to explain to you, it's futile trying to get you to understand. Maybe some day you will. Good day.
Just my opinion. It makes sense to me.
As a human we don't really know our spiritual self. What our spirit/soul was like before birth and after death will always be a matter of discussion, IMO.
You're the one not getting it. How can you be on here posting about anything if you are dead? Dead is dead! Being "declared dead" is not. Unless you are saying that you are the "ghost".
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Originally Posted by 05chevy
Since you don't seem to have an open mind and have never experienced what I am trying to explain to you, it's futile trying to get you to understand. Maybe some day you will. Good day.
But he does, and was responding to your post very well; I'm afraid it is you that seems to not understand, 05Chevy. We're talking here about what happens when you die, and that being as none of us are dead, we have no way to know exactly what happens first hand. You can have as many experiences with a ghost as you can count and still not know what happens when you die. Not to diminish the value of your experience but remember, you're experiencing it from the perspective of a very much alive person in a human body. Likewise, even when people die and are brought back to life- for any amount of time- they still did not make the FULL transition. Otherwise they would still be dead. Period. And so a NDE doesn't count or mean anything other than perhaps a perspective as to what may happen before death. Personally, I take NDEs with a grain of salt. Not that I don't believe what anyone sees or goes through, just that perhaps it is, or perhaps it isn't what people think. The human body does a lot of weird things when preparing itself for death.
But he does, and was responding to your post very well; I'm afraid it is you that seems to not understand, 05Chevy. We're talking here about what happens when you die, and that being as none of us are dead, we have no way to know exactly what happens first hand. You can have as many experiences with a ghost as you can count and still not know what happens when you die. Not to diminish the value of your experience but remember, you're experiencing it from the perspective of a very much alive person in a human body. Likewise, even when people die and are brought back to life- for any amount of time- they still did not make the FULL transition. Otherwise they would still be dead. Period. And so a NDE doesn't count or mean anything other than perhaps a perspective as to what may happen before death. Personally, I take NDEs with a grain of salt. Not that I don't believe what anyone sees or goes through, just that perhaps it is, or perhaps it isn't what people think. The human body does a lot of weird things when preparing itself for death.
I understand what you're saying. I apologize for getting off-base; if that's what I have done. What "happens after death" and "is there life after death" is so closely related, I find it hard to distinguish between the two. If I am still not understanding the point of this thread, please let me know. I am a very reasonable man. Again, I apologize.
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I believe since we all experience different beliefs, religions, non-beliefs it all trancends on the other side. For those that lack faith, enlightenment, and think that death is a bleak ending will probably trancend into that same existence in spirit. Much of what we believe here on earth manifests into reality, and will probably transpire on the other side as well. Christians will probably end up in a relm of like minded spirits. Whether they actually encounter Jesus or not, or Muslims encountering Mohammed is really unknown. I believe soul connections exist between earth and other planes of existence and the vail in between is thinner than ones conciousness could comprehend while experiencing this incarnation. I know that love is transcendent and that never ceases to exist.
Peoples beliefs can also change drasticly over a lifetimes. I didn't believe much of anything in the spirit world until somebody close to me had passed. I certainly never believed that death was just a non existence, I just hadn't contemplated it that much until losing a loved one. I think life here is way to short to evolve and do the work that ones soul was brought here to do. I think the souls energy is too strong to just terminate at the end of this life. Having seen open caskets the body looks like a mere shell of ones existence. The key is an open mind as a Buddhists beliefs may transcend into that type of reality in the afterlife, so there could be small element of truth in the worlds religions as well as atheism. That's probably what you will take with you if that's the path you choose.
It is true we better make this life count regardless of one believes. I'd rather look back on this life without having regrets.
I'm sure this post made me vulnerable to backlash. One could argue with me until they are blue in the face and say how do you know? I admit I don't, but the fact is neither does the non believer. I just know what I believe. One could fabricate contradiction and still wouldn't disprove it.
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I beleive since we all experience different beliefs, religions, non-beliefs it all trancends on the other side. For those that lack faith, enlightenment, and think that death is a bleak ending will probably trancend into that same existence in spirit. Christians will probably end up in a relm of like minded spirits. Whether they actually encounter Jesus or not, or Muslims entountering Mohammed is really unknown. I believe soul connections exist between earth and other planes of existence and the vail in between is thinner than ones conciousness could comprehend while experiencing this incarnation. I know that love is transcendent and that never ceases to exist.
Peoples beliefs can also change drasticly over a lifetimes. I didn't believe much of anything in the spirit world until somebody close to me had passed. I certainly never believed that death was just a non existence, I just hadn't contemplated it that much until losing a loved one. I think life here is way to short to evolve and do the work that ones soul was brought here to do. I think the souls energy is too strong to just terminate at the end of this life. Having seen open caskets the body looks like a mere shell of ones existence. The key is an open mind as a Buddhists beliefs may transcend into that type of reality in the afterlife, so there could be small element of truth in the worlds religions as well as atheism. That's probably what you will take with you if that's the path you choose.
It is true we better make this life count regardless of one believes. I'd rather look back on this life without having regrets.
I'm sure this post made me vulnerable to backlash. One could argue with me until they are blue in the face and say how do you know? I admit I don't, but the fact is neither does the non believer. I just know what I believe, and in my eyes a contradiction still doesn't disprove it.
As an atheist, I'd be perfectly satisfied if death was just the end of my existence. If it meant missing out on a possible heaven, I'd be fine with that as long as I was also missing out on a possible hell. I'm at peace with nothingness after death.
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