the Tea Partiers and Right-Wing Christians Trying to Start a New Religious War Against Muslims (translation, myths)

[offthefence]

Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801

Re the bolded--I've seen that question asked a number of times on these threads, and I've yet to see one person respond to it. Muslim parents didn't cry over their dead adult children? Muslim children didn't cry over their dead parents? Muslims spouses didn't cry over their dead husbands and wives? They are not quite as human as everyone else?

Muslims around the world rejoiced when the towers came down. They partied and laughed and had a good ol time at our expense.
Why are christians expected to have more compassion than Muslims?
About half of the Muslims in America think the Mosque is in bad taste. Are they to racists and anti Muslim?

[GCSTroop]

Originally Posted by offthefence

I guess you would know who racists and bigots vote for better than i would.


the argument is entirely about whether it should or shouldn't be built there. You yourself said "I agree that it's distasteful and rather repugnant".
That's exactly what people that are against it are saying.




It is a red herring. Nobody is complaining about the 100 other mosques in NY. Nobody is trying to get them shut down. It's the proximity of this one that is in question.
There are arbitrary distances set on things in a multitudes of laws.
If I take a **** does it make any difference to you whether i **** in my own toilet or on your doorstep? The only difference is distance, right?


No. America was not at war. A handful of zealots in government were at war. Atleast that's the argument you use to defend Muslims
First off. We won the war and as such gave us the right to build those bases.
Second tell me exactly where this mythical military base is that's 2 blocks from ground zero in Hyroshima.

You're really going to go back to this stupid argument. Abortion clinics already aren't allowed to exist within a certain distance from churches. Because of the distance rule that means you also can't build a church within that same distance of an abortion clinic.
Besides that most of the people getting abortions are christians. It would actually make sense to build a church nearby to help redeem all the sinners.
How does building a mosque near ground zero help anything, even a religious zealot?


I seem to remember people being up in arms over the idea that Timothy McVeigh might get buried at Arlington National Cemetery. Would you also defend that? It was, after all, his right as a veteran.


I You already know the difference.



It's funny that you say that. 75% of the country is against it. That means that atleast half the democrats are against it. Does that make half the democrats white trash in your book also?

Really. This debate has nothing to do with the president. Good job trying to drag him into it though. Battle lines were already drawn long before Obama said a word.



That statment shows your true colors. Your utter contempt for christians has blinded you with hate.


You're the one that is emotional and freaking out. My god smoke a joint and relax.
The only argument that is being made IS that it's offensive and in poor taste because there is no LEGAL basis to stop it.
Stop crying and whining and get over.

WOW that went around in one big blathering circle of stupid.

More incoherent babble.

The freedom of speech protects your right to write posts like the one you are writing. Even "a bunch of backwoods trailer trash without the slightest common sense or understanding of the philosophical importance of government" knows that.

BTW, just for future reference, I'm not a christian. Attacking them in a childish attempt to insult me is wasting your time.

What I am trying to get across to you is that the main arguments for WHY it shouldn't be built are non-effective and hold no bearing on law - and they shouldn't. Saying something is "offensive" or "disrespectful" is not really an argument in the grand scheme of things. Even if we all agree that it is offensive, it won't stop the mosque from being built. The way things are being reported, you would think that the mosque is being built atop the rubble - which has had virtually nothing done to it in the past ten years.

If we set the precedent that because something is deemed "offensive" and it must therefore not exist, we teeter on a very perilous brink. Because something is "offensive" does not necessarily mean that it is inherently wrong, inaccurate, or incorrect. Muslims are pithily offended by cartoons. Christians are offended by Atheist billboards and bus ads. Religious people throughout the world demand that we treat their beliefs with utmost respect and refrain from offensiveness at any point in time lest we hurt their feelings. It is as though the argument of "I don't like it" means that everyone else should adhere to it and refrain from ever saying or doing anything that could possibly offend them. If we want to cry and moan about the offensiveness of their mosque, we set the precedent for anyone and everybody who is offended by something to appeal for its destruction.

Where do we stop once we've victoriously squashed something because it offended us? If we crush the mosque only on the grounds that it's offensive, it sets a dangerous precedent for anyone and anybody to find anything else they deem "offensive" to get squashed as well.

The Far Right (Palin, Beck, and those they represent) is inextricably linked to the advancement of extreme Christianity. If indeed they (or those they represent) get their way with the mosque (by appealing to emotions) there is a precedent in place for them to prohibit any and all things deemed offensive. The case, say, Palin vs. Cordoba House Project will forever be deemed as the benchmark behind what can or can't be erected - because of its' "offensiveness."

To carry on and try to attack this project from the "offensiveness" angle is no better than Muslims whining about cartoons, Christians groaning about Atheist billboards, or anything of the sort. Simply saying "That is offensive," does not guarantee automatic grounds for dismissal. Critical scrutiny and examination MUST be applied. But, the way things are being argued right now it is more of a "Why think when you can feel?" environment.

Use any argument you like against the mosque near Ground Zero. As I said before... I am not really a fan of the mosque (or any religious structure, for that matter) but I refuse to use the argument that it is "distasteful" or "offensive" to try and keep it from being built. The argument will not hold in a court of law - especially a Supreme Court hearing; and does nothing but further put a black eye on the actual victims (not those who submitted their opinions via a Fox News or CNN instant poll). We may use our distaste for the mosque as a motivating factor to critically scrutinize it - but don't use your distaste as critical scrutiny. It does absolutely nothing.

[QuixoticHobbit]

Originally Posted by offthefence

Muslims around the world rejoiced when the towers came down. They partied and laughed and had a good ol time at our expense.
Why are christians expected to have more compassion than Muslims?
About half of the Muslims in America think the Mosque is in bad taste. Are they to racists and anti Muslim?

Oh I dunno, perhaps because you claim to serve the ultimate source of objective morality, who's son commanded you to turn the other cheek, love your enemies and forgive those who trespass against you?

Nahh...


And BTW, just because Faux Snooze played a couple of clips of some Muslims dancing in the streets doesn't mean that all Muslims all around the world rejoiced at the results of 911.

[renault]

The anti-Christian bigots in here should move to London where their hate will be embraced by these folks.

'Christmas is evil': Muslim group launches poster campaign against festive period

[Boxcar Overkill]

Yes, because if we don't like the silly Hebrew superstitions, we're sure to fancy the silly Arabic ones...

[Nighteyes]

Let's go back to the original question, which was "the Tea Partiers and Right-Wing Christians Trying to Start a New Religious War Against Muslims (Buddhists, hell)"

In my experience, the Tea Partiers are already waging a war against anyone who doesn't think, believe and behave exactly as they do -- oops -- as they think other people should think, believe and behave. They seem to be holding themselves above all such shenanigans.

Anyone can advocate for a certain style/type of thought, belief and behavior -- the Constitution guarantees it. However, once someone begins attempting to legislate it, "church" is out and all bets are off.

[Pardon me, but I for some obscure reason I can't turn off the bold font in my response. I'm not yelling -- I'm helpless in this regard]

-- Nighteyes

[Jazzymom]

Originally Posted by Boxcar Overkill

Yes, because if we don't like the silly Hebrew superstitions, we're sure to fancy the silly Arabic ones...

Ok what has this whole conversation to do with "silly Hebrew superstitions"? This is a very strange remark.....

[Boxcar Overkill]

Originally Posted by Jazzymom

Ok what has this whole conversation to do with "silly Hebrew superstitions"? This is a very strange remark.....

The story of Jesus is an ancient Hebrew myth.

I was replying to the post above mine that said if we were tired of Christian silliness, we should join the radical Islamist in London.

[Jazzymom]

Originally Posted by Boxcar Overkill

The story of Jesus is an ancient Hebrew myth.

I was replying to the post above mine that said if we were tired of Christian silliness, we should join the radical Islamist in London.

It is a Christian belief, not a Hebrew or Jewish one. His story comes from the NT which is not a Hebrew Scripture.

I wouldn't classify mythology from the OT as Hebrew. Much of the stories of Jesus were not even written in Hebrew but in Greek. Once the NT was written down they did not even think of themselves as Jews.

[Boxcar Overkill]

Originally Posted by Jazzymom

It is a Christian belief, not a Hebrew or Jewish one. His story comes from the NT which is not a Hebrew Scripture.

I wouldn't classify mythology from the OT as Hebrew. Much of the stories of Jesus were not even written in Hebrew but in Greek. Once the NT was written down they did not even think of themselves as Jews.

Hebrew: a member of the Semitic peoples inhabiting ancient Palestine and claiming descent from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; an Israelite.

Hebrew | Define Hebrew at Dictionary.com

Hebrew does not mean Jewish. (In the context I was using it, it also didn't mean the Hebrew language.)

The myth of Jesus was Hebrew in origin, in that it was created by the semitic peoples. This is true even if the majority of people now believing the myth are not Jewish.