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Excellent way to make the point that references to generic God are NOT references to specific religions and cannot violate the establishment clause . . . something too many rabble-rousing atheists cannot seem to grasp.
Fail.
When the phrase "under god" was added to the Pledge of Allegiance, it specifically referred to the christian god. It was not god in the generic sense.
You would know that if you had read the hearing minutes and debate published in Congressional Quarterly. Congress did not have the Hindu gods, Muslim god, Zoroastrian god or any other god in mind.
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Mircea
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Originally Posted by QuixoticHobbit
The Christian theocrats who had "God" foisted into our pledge, motto and money certainly didn't have a "generic"
If you read Jefferson et al, the god they are referring to is quite clearly the God of Reason and not Yahweh or Jesus or any other god. While that claim can be made for the US motto and money, it cannot be made for the Pledge of Allegiance for the reason I explained previously.
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Besides, using "God" in the singular sense also establishes a preference for monotheistic religions over polytheism and other forms of religious belief, and that in itself is indeed a violation of the establishment clause.
Good point.
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Mircea
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Originally Posted by Walter Greenspan
Muslims believe that Allah is greater than G-d.
Allahu Akbar means "God is greater", as in Allah is greater than G-d.
That has to be one of the silliest things I've read so far this year.
Allahu Akbar also means "god is greatest."
Taken in the sense that god is greater, it means god is greater than anything, not Allah is greater than god. Allah and god are one in the same thing.
If you knew anything about Islam, then you'd know that Jews and Christians are a protected class, because they are members of the "revealed religions" since christians, Jews and Muslims all have the same god. Thus it would be stupid to suggest that Allah is greater than god, since god is Yahweh and so is Allah.
That G-d mentioned in the Pledge of Allegiance is the Jewish G-d.
It doesn't matter to me which God of the bible it is, my point is that God hasn't been taken out of schools. I would like to why you believe God in the Pledge Of Allegiance is the Jewish God.
The Jewish G-d is the G-d of Creation and the G-d at Sinai and there is no other G-d.
While I agree that that Jewish God and the Christian God are different, that's a matter of opnion on your part. Even Satan is different in the bible. There is no proof that the God of the OT is the God in the Pledge Of Allegence.
I'm pretty sure that if there is a GOD, whatever his/her/its true identity IS, is wherever he/she/it wishes to be. Keeping false man made gods and religions out of schools won't be of any concern to any "supreme" being.
I know it has wandered around a lot, but the thread was started using this title: Effects of removing religion from public schools
Church-based schools can still pray as often as they like.
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