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Old 08-22-2010, 10:02 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Old 08-22-2010, 10:03 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Oops! I forgot. People aren't born gay, right? God would never create what he condemns or so some people tell us.
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Old 08-23-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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People can choose who they want to be in life. Sexuality is a choice just like everything else in life. I noticed that many people make conflated comparisons of race and sexuality, and they do so using a false premise: That different races of people are inherently different...this is untrue. Race is not an inherent characteristic. Race and subsequently racism is a relatively modern social construct originated by European settlers as a platform for declaring supremacy on the grounds that one group of people with a particular set of PHYSICAL characteristics are somehow inherently different than other groups of people with different physical characteristics.

Before this notion was introduced by European settlers (especially spaniards), people were valued by their nation of origin, not by the color of their skin and other physical characteristics - or what we call "race"..and it was understood that the reason their physical characteristics were different werent due to any inherent difference. But rather it was understood that, those physical features were different due to climate and location from which a peoples originated. Thus what we consider "race" (physical characteristics) is purely a result of genetics and to a lesser degree nowdays, climate/geographical location - any other differences in behavior is entirely contingent on culture..which again, isnt genetic.

Those physical features transformed from place to place due to adaptive genetic mutations to suit whichever particular climate and geography in which a group of people lived. Ironically, due to increased mobility through industrialization, and thus being less restricted to any particular climate or location, our physical features are becoming more uniform and less identifiable by "race" alone. In other words, the genetics which form our physical features are once again transforming and adapting.

This is where sexuality differs imo. Unless one believes that the first two humans were two people of the same sex who spawned children and then proliferated the human species, and today we are all becoming increasingly bisexual, one cant truly say that homosexuality has been around since time immemorial..

Unless of course they mean figuratively, and only in the most abstract
sense (maybe eve was a repressed homosexual?...lol)....Similarly, one would have to believe that a black person and a white person were not only physically different, but inherently different. Personally, I dont buy into this modern construct either.
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Old 08-23-2010, 01:18 PM
 
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People can choose who they want to be in life. Sexuality is a choice just like everything else in life.
Riiight. So then you could just wake up one day, decide to be gay, find yourself truly attracted to a man and have a meaningful sexual, emotional and possibly spiritual relationship with him as a lover and life partner, correct?

I don't think so.
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Old 08-23-2010, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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Solytaire: That simply isn't true. Sexuality is not a choice.
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Old 08-23-2010, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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I dont know about the others guys in here , but I didnt make a choice to be attracted to women .... I just was.
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Old 08-23-2010, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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I dont know about the others guys in here , but I didnt make a choice to be attracted to women .... I just was.
Thats because there is no choice in the matter. The choice you have to make is if you want the blond or brunette, or red perhaps? Or all three?
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Old 08-23-2010, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Western NC
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This is where sexuality differs imo. Unless one believes that the first two humans were two people of the same sex who spawned children and then proliferated the human species, and today we are all becoming increasingly bisexual, one cant truly say that homosexuality has been around since time immemorial..
How do you make the leap from race to 'homosexuality cannot exist unless the first two humans were gay?' I'm not following. We've evolved into our modern form and are still in transition. Genes for homosexuality could have been present in the species that we evolved from or we could have evolved them after we became 'human'.
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Old 08-23-2010, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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I guess fundies will belive gayness isn't a sin around the same time they admit the world is more than 6000 years old, that Adam and eve didn't ride dinosaurs naked through a lovely garden until they ate some nasty magic apples and that two of every animal on the planet could never actually fit in a single 400 ft long wooden boat while the earth was entirely covered with water.
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Old 08-23-2010, 04:47 PM
 
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People can choose who they want to be in life. Sexuality is a choice just like everything else in life.
Really? You are equally attracted to men, women, puppies, watermelons, and dressing up in leather? Makes no difference to you, and you can choose any of the above equally? Abstinence and having regular sex, similarly is as important as a coin flip?

Lets be real. Sexuality is really complicated, and has a huge number of factors, which probably combine both nature and nurture. It is not a choice.
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