How Come? (Buddhism, Christians, believers, doctrine)

[sanspeur]

As an atheist I could care less what god a religious person believes in. Where I object is when that belief impacts other's rights, (including child abuse) the courts, politics, education, impedes scientific discoveries and progress. When it kills by with holding medical treatment, and destroys families through dis-fellowship...The problem with many religious is that they cannot mind their own business, and want to impose their beliefs and rules on others.

Even when some of these beliefs are kept within the particular Christian sect, how can one not interfere...For instance literally thousands of innocent children in religious families have died when medical attention was withheld in favor of prayer.

[Mr5150]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

For instance literally thousands of innocent children in religious families have died when medical attention was withheld in favor of prayer.

Thousands you say?

Is that opinion or fact? Please give some credible cites. I can only recall Tens over the last 30 years. And BTW nonreligious people have caused death to their kids thru neglect or abuse. Please don't engage in sterotypes.

[detmi7mile]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

Thousands you say?

Is that opinion or fact? Please give some credible cites. I can only recall Tens over the last 30 years. And BTW nonreligious people have caused death to their kids thru neglect or abuse. Please don't engage in sterotypes.

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion."

[Mr5150]

Originally Posted by detmi7mile

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, it takes religion."

OK. So we won't mention Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao. And what's his face of North Korea.

[agnostic soldier]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

OK. So we won't mention Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao. And what's his face of North Korea.

I think lunacy and genocide exist on both sides. It's generally caused by tribal mentality(my way is the only way). Although people like Stalin, Pol Pot and Kim Jong Il are/was more about power and control.

[sanspeur]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

Thousands you say?

Is that opinion or fact? Please give some credible cites. I can only recall Tens over the last 30 years. And BTW nonreligious people have caused death to their kids thru neglect or abuse. Please don't engage in sterotypes.

Non religious people do not traumatize their kids by telling them they are going to hell if they don't follow certain rules.

That's a fact...Here are 2,370 people who were harmed by someone not thinking critically.

What's the harm in religious fundamentalism?

[agnostic soldier]

Originally Posted by sanspeur

Non religious people do not traumatize their kids by telling them they are going to hell if they don't follow certain rules.

That's a fact...Here are 2,370 people who were harmed by someone not thinking critically.

What's the harm in religious fundamentalism?

Not to mention the crazies who physically abuse their children because they think their invisible sky wizard tells them to.

[Mr5150]

Originally Posted by agnostic soldier

Not to mention the crazies who physically abuse their children because they think their invisible sky wizard tells them to.

Got cites or just your opinion? Talk is cheap. I work for social services and I can assure you that people abuse children. Religious and atheist. Makes no difference. Bad people are just that whether they "claim" religious afffiliation or not. I have a clue for you. Some people lie.

Yep. Some people lie about being religious.

Fancy that.

[catman]

I think only a minority of those who abuse children do it because their religion tells them to...'Spare the rod, spoil the child' and all that. But some do (fundamentalists mostly, I would think), and that is worthy of comment.

Also, I'd say "being religious" is a subjective call. Just what does that mean?

[agnostic soldier]

Originally Posted by Mr5150

Got cites or just your opinion? Talk is cheap. I work for social services and I can assure you that people abuse children. Religious and atheist. Makes no difference. Bad people are just that whether they "claim" religious afffiliation or not. I have a clue for you. Some people lie.

Yep. Some people lie about being religious.

Fancy that.

This is more from personal experience and the folk that do do this actually believe that that they're hearing god's voice. You're right that there are people on both sides that abuse their children. While there are some people lie, the religious types that physically abuse their children do believe they think their deity is telling them to do so. What's interesting is that this is a sign of schizophrenia. For some reason that do physically abuse their child because they think god tells them to don't seem to realize that. I hate it when people do that. For some reason think that 'because god says so' is a valid motive for harming their children. There are two reasons for why people do this:

1. They're mentally ill(hence the crazies label)

or

2. They're delusional enough to think that because an invisible man tells them to somehow abdicates responsibility and justifies their actions.

The second position doesn't necessarily mean they are lying about being religious. While they don't necessarily abuse their children out of religious motivations I think it would be wrong to automatically assume that they're lying about being religious.

I'm curious as to what credentials you actually have though. In another thread you said you have a minor or some such thing in a science related field. Now you're saying you work for social services. It seems as though you're flip flopping around to try and say you credibility in whatever topic that is being addressed.