The War on Religion (Muslim, Baptist, protestant, Israel)

[samyn on the green]

Liberal uses of condoms in Thailand and traditional application of abstinence in the Philippines.

Catholic Church is right on condoms and AIDS; even if it may hurt the pharmaceutical industry interests.

"Condoms can protect Africans from Aids," Tanya claims. Perhaps, but what I do know is that the only way to stop HIV/Aids is to ask people to lead responsible sex lives. Offering the condom as a panacea does the opposite. Perhaps this simple fact is lost on people who have never set foot in Africa, but parading the miracles of the condom simply invites people, especially the young, to be careless with their sexuality and so become prime targets of the HIV virus.

If the church is against the condom, it is not because it wishes Africans to die. On the contrary, more than 50% of all projects targeting HIV/Aids in Africa are run by the Catholic church, with many more run by other churches.

"There are 12 million Aids orphans in Africa," Tanya says. Perhaps, I do not know. But I do know who cares for them. Most of the thousands of volunteers who every day reach out and touch the lives of those infected, their families and their communities, are Christians.

The policy of the church is not the result of an obscurantist vision, but the realisation of a simple fact: the battle against Aids will not be won by condoms or antiretroviral medicines; it will be won by a change of lifestyle. It is sad to see that the interests of multinational pharmaceutical companies (which thrive on a large number of patients) are always protected by western journalists who have no first-hand knowledge.

Originally Posted by Mercury Cougar

Oh, this is rich. I hardly know where to start, there is so much misinformation oozing from those words...

I'm going to pick just one piece of it for now...condoms. Condoms are an ancient invention; the first known examples are from the Egyptians, something like 1000 BCE.

Explain how science came up with "condoms to stop AIDS" when AIDS was only recognized in the 1980s, almost 3000 years after the invention of the condom. Boy, those Egyptian scientists were thinking so far ahead, they were pretty wily to do that so that the rest of us ignorant savages wouldn't realize that it was all just a huge plot to discredit the poor benighted Catholic church (which by the way didn't even exist yet).

Gosh, isn't science so tricksy?

[Nea1]

Originally Posted by samyn on the green

Liberal uses of condoms in Thailand and traditional application of abstinence in the Philippines.

What does that have to do with Mercury Cougars post?

[DreamingSpires]

Originally Posted by Nea1

Wow, no you claiming they faked all the photos, or are the religious leaders just being polite in them!! nice. How about an actual account. My family, PLENTY of information about it from them. Grandma in fact has lovely encounters with the Nazi's ( if you count a concentration camp as lovely) Catholic church SUPPORTED the Evil man.

Well, Nea1, you can claim anything you want about the Catholic Church. That doesn't make it true.

What is true (as I stated previously) is that some members of the Catholic Church collaborated with the Nazis. The extent to which this happened is a matter of dispute amongst historians and will likely remain so. The fact of the matter is, some Protestants and Jews also collaborated. And many Muslims did far more than "collaborate."

I suppose I should ask you to stop your ridiculous statements such as the "Catholic Church supported" Nazism, but at the end of the day, you have freedom of speech to say and think whatever you want.

Here is Albert Einstein's view on the matter:

Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks...

Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.

Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust

[Mercury Cougar]

Originally Posted by Nea1

What does that have to do with Mercury Cougars post?

Nothing.

He or she is trying to say that condoms cause AIDS. Which interestingly enough is the sentiment that keeps most Africans from USING condoms, because they're being wrongly told by their religious leaders that condoms are bad. Instead, they believe things like raping a virgin will cure AIDS.

Religious ignorance at some of its worst.

[Boxcar Overkill]

Originally Posted by Mercury Cougar

Oh, this is rich. I hardly know where to start, there is so much misinformation oozing from those words...

I'm going to pick just one piece of it for now...condoms...

The best place to start would be the claim that:

abortion(lead to high rates of illegitimacy)

LOL WTF?!?!

I pretty much stopped reading at that part of the platitude.

[DreamingSpires]

Originally Posted by Nea1

Wow, no you claiming they faked all the photos, or are the religious leaders just being polite in them!! Considering they are from the Holocaust museum. nice. How about an actual account. My family, PLENTY of information about it from them. Grandma in fact has lovely encounters with the Nazi's ( if you count a concentration camp as lovely) Catholic church SUPPORTED the Evil man.

I've posted these statistics before at this forum:

Total Deaths from Nazi Genocidal Policies

European Jews 5,600,000 to 6,250,000
Soviet prisoners of war 3,000,000
Polish Catholics 3,000,000
Serbians 700,000 (Croat Ustasa persecution)
Roma, Sinti, and Lalleri 222,000 to 250,000
Germans (political, religious, and Resistance) 80,000
Germans (handicapped) 70,000
Homosexuals 12,000
Jehovah’s Witnesses 2,500


The Holocaust Chronicle Appendices

Perhaps you could explain to us your theory about how and why the "Catholic Church supported" a movement (Nazism) that killed three million Catholics.

[KCfromNC]

Originally Posted by Boxcar Overkill

You are misquoting the statistics, and also comparing apples to oranges.

The article says there are 100 times as many cases of molestation in public schools than by priest, not than in a public school.

Note the exact wording of the quote - which was changed by the post you're responding to. It also says there is "likely" 100x more abuse in public schools, which is soft science weasel wording for "I don't have actual data".

[Mercury Cougar]

Originally Posted by Boxcar Overkill

The best place to start would be the claim that:

LOL WTF?!?!

I pretty much stopped reading at that part of the platitude.

Yeah I thought about starting there, but I was just too flabbergasted at that comment to pick my jaw up off the keyboard and start typing. Sometimes, ignorance just screams loudly for itself.

[Visvaldis]

Originally Posted by DreamingSpires

www.nobeliefs.com is an interesting propaganda site with an anti-religion agenda.

As the saying goes, "consider the source."

Yes, consider the source. Fox News for a report on the 'war on religion'. Very unreliable and it can't be taken seriously.

[Mercury Cougar]

Originally Posted by DreamingSpires

Perhaps you could explain to us your theory about how and why the "Catholic Church supported" a movement (Nazism) that killed three million Catholics.

Perhaps you could explain how and why your pope was in the Hitler Youth if Catholics hated the Nazis so much.