The War on Religion (faith, Christian, beliefs, belief)

[Nea1]

Originally Posted by DreamingSpires

See my response to you above about the fact that the degree to which members of the Catholic Church collaborated with the Nazis is a matter of dispute.

The whole subject of the rise of Nazism is complex in the extreme and will not be settled at City-Data.

The statistics I cited about Nazi genocide, however, are rock solid and not really open to dispute unless you are named Mahmoud Ahmedenijad.

I know all to well about the genocide.Didnt matter what religion you held, if you were against , you were an enemy, as my family discovered. Which members, oh well the Vatican..how many more do you need?

[Mercury Cougar]

Originally Posted by DreamingSpires

Eh, no. I have not been "shown to be incorrect" except in the opinon of people like you. Like I said, you are free to believe whatever you want, and I guess that includes beliefs you hold about me.

The fact is, your precious catholic church supported the Nazis for several years. I know you're so blinded by the religious wool over your eyes that you refuse to see this, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Hitler was a catholic.
The catholic church supported the Nazis for quite some time.
The catholic church never excommunicated Hitler.
Your pope was a member of the Hitler Youth.
Priests, cardinals, and bishops prayed for the Nazis and for Hitler and instructed their parishioners to do the same.

It would look a lot better for you and your precious church if you all stopped lying about things, owned up to the fact that there have been mistakes made in your history, and apologized for it. But heck, I won't hold my breath. Your church won't even apologize for protecting known Moderator cut: deleted/edited

[KCfromNC]

Originally Posted by Mercury Cougar

OMG condoms cause rape and sex abuse!! Condoms cause AIDS! Condoms destroy families!

So where did those thousands of abusive Catholic priests get the condoms that forced them to abuse little kids?

Yes, I know this is a fallacy (confusing necessary and sufficient conditions in a way). But it points out how dumb it is for Catholics to complain that non-Catholic teachings are causing sexual abuse when they can't even fix it in their own churches.

[samyn on the green]

Originally Posted by KCfromNC

Actually it was political power that gave them a stranglehold over reason. Luckily the middle ages ended. Unfortunately for the rest of us, some people are still stuck there - or at least wish we could get back to the good old days of the Inquisition.

You must have a poor grasp of Spanish history. Spain was a country that had a 700 year Moorish occupation where thousands of Spaniards where captured into slavery. This is what preceded the inquisition. Women where routinely captured and sold into sex slavery. Men where slaughtered y a hostile foreign occupier. This tremendously long trauma shaped Spanish actions. This was a large driver in the context to push out foreigners.

If the inquisition and the 2,000 dead was so terrible how do you feel about the 23 million dead in the USSR in various genocides? So recent yet so obscure. Yet you live in a country that supports China. China has exterminated 78 million this century but they are okay with that and their atheist regime that produces the goods that fills your house. BTW the way China is one of the few countries that has banned the Catholic Church. Maybe you can all go there and live in that bastion of freedom and reason. Just don't fall into the next million they need to exterminate.

[DreamingSpires]

Originally Posted by Mercury Cougar

OMG condoms cause rape and sex abuse!! Condoms cause AIDS! Condoms destroy families! Why do you people continue to swallow all the mindless crap your religious organizations feed you without questioning it?


Pope's Condom Condemnation Distorts Truth | LiveScience

Actually sexual immorality causes these things. And no, you don't need to be religious to see this. Dr. Judith Reisman sees it, for example, and I believe she is a non-theist.

[Nea1]

Originally Posted by DreamingSpires

Okay, I can see that you believe Hitler wasn't a pagan occultist. No problem.

No he claimed to even be Christian, many times even in his book. So you are saying he was just covering up that he was a Pagan occultist? it is clear he was a mentally disturb Christian.

The God delusion - Google Books

[DreamingSpires]

Originally Posted by Nea1

I know all to well about the genocide.Didnt matter what religion you held, if you were against , you were an enemy, as my family discovered. Which members, oh well the Vatican..how many more do you need?

This doesn't support your claim that the "Catholic Church supported Nazism." It actually supports mine.

The fact is, the Nazis tried to destroy everyone who got in the way of implementing their neo-pagan, occultist, eugenics agenda, and this includes the Catholic Church.

[DreamingSpires]

Originally Posted by Nea1

No he claimed to even be Christian, many times even in his book. So you are saying he was just covering up that he was a Pagan occultist? it is clear he was a mentally disturb Christian.

The God delusion - Google Books

Nea,

If you want to cite some of Hitler's claims about himself as evidence of what Hitler was and what he believed instead of looking at his actions, including the National Reich Church (a gnostic church) he tried to set up, I can't stop you. Hitler probably wrote, "I am a wonderful guy who loves Germany" but that doesn't make it true.

Nazi links to the occult are well-documented, there are least a dozen books out there on the subject, maybe more, written by historians of the era.

[samyn on the green]

It was already pointed out that children in public schools are 100 times more likely to be molested that children in Catholic schools. There were never thousands of homosexual priests abusing boys; there were maybe hundreds among a Church a billion strong. However this is hundreds too many. This issue was been largely resolved and only continues as fodder in an ideological war. Are you an ideological warrior?

Originally Posted by KCfromNC

So where did those thousands of abusive Catholic priests get the condoms that forced them to abuse little kids?

Yes, I know this is a fallacy (confusing necessary and sufficient conditions in a way). But it points out how dumb it is for Catholics to complain that non-Catholic teachings are causing sexual abuse when they can't even fix it in their own churches.

[Nea1]

Originally Posted by DreamingSpires

Nea,

If you want to cite some of Hitler's claims about himself as evidence of what Hitler was instead of looking at his actions, including the National Reich Church (a gnostic church) he tried to set up, I can't stop you. Hitler probably wrote, "I am a wonderful guy who loves Germany" but that doesn't make it true.

Nazi links to the occult are well-documented, there are least a dozen books out there on the subject, maybe more, written by historians of the era.

Actions? he killed to get his way, nothing different than what religions have been doing since it's inception.

HE BELIEVED he was Christian, the CATHOLIC CHURCH helped put him in power.