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Old 09-25-2010, 09:13 AM
 
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Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

And there you have it, the Truth! There are many religions but only one doing the will of God. The others are false religions that use the Bible to justify their wickedness. Anything involving killing of others today, does not originate with God. Anything involving pagan practices does not originate with God. Anything inspiring hate of others does not originate with God. Anything condoning the practices of sin, does not originate with God. Because a religion claims to be doing the will of God does not make it a religion that God approves of. Only the religion that follows closely Jesus' footsteps originates with God.

Jesus taught love, he taught to preach the good news of God's kingdom, he taught to glorify God's name and he taught to walk in the path of righteousness. Righteousness is not killing but loving. Righteousness is not acceptance of such sins as homosexuality. We are not to kill ones practicing it but rather we are to teach them God's view on the matter. Righteousness does not claim something unclean as a pagan holiday, to be clean. If it is pagan, it does not originate with God and it is not clean. Righteousness does not deny the use of God's Holy name but rather it declares it and honors it.

The true religion is clearly very different than the false religions and more inline with Jesus' teachings.
If God is analogous to water, ice and vapor then the Holy Ghost is vapor, Jesus is water and the Father and God of the O T is ice.
O T God deserves to have lost our love and it is no wonder that He was replaced by Jesus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fyJsXrRilM&feature=player_embedded
Or at least the Bible writers hoped that we would be forgiving enough to accept Jesus. I am not.
I do not mind Jesus so much even with his unworkable sayings as a Rabbi and fully human but if he is the O T God then I have a bullet with justice and his name written on it.
That is justice for any that would use genocide on man.
Not to be crude.
Regards
DL
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Old 09-25-2010, 09:18 AM
 
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If God is analogous to water, ice and vapor then the Holy Ghost is vapor, Jesus is water and the Father and God of the O T is ice.
O T God deserves to have lost our love and it is no wonder that He was replaced by Jesus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fyJsXrRilM&feature=player_embedded
Or at least the Bible writers hoped that we would be forgiving enough to accept Jesus. I am not.
I do not mind Jesus so much even with his unworkable sayings as a Rabbi and fully human but if he is the O T God then I have a bullet with justice and his name written on it.
That is justice for any that would use genocide on man.
Not to be crude.
Regards
DL
Rest assured, Jesus is not the God of the OT. He came from God so He can't be God even in the NT.

And it was man who used genocide on man, not God. Humans created that illusion so they they could control. Looks as if they are succeding in some places. Others have woken up to the truth.
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Old 09-25-2010, 09:35 AM
 
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Rest assured, Jesus is not the God of the OT. He came from God so He can't be God even in the NT.

And it was man who used genocide on man, not God. Humans created that illusion so they they could control. Looks as if they are succeding in some places. Others have woken up to the truth.
Have you not noticed that I use literalism to show literalists how stupid it is to do so?

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DL
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Old 09-25-2010, 09:38 AM
 
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Yes . . . but NOT for God's benefit . . . for ours!
Then why are the first 4 or 5 commandments all about "him" and honoring "him" and have nothing to do with "us"?

god, as represented by the majority of christians is a self serving ego maniac that demands subjects kowtow, else it off to some silly lake of fire.
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Old 09-25-2010, 10:00 AM
 
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Then why are the first 4 or 5 commandments all about "him" and honoring "him" and have nothing to do with "us"?

god, as represented by the majority of christians is a self serving ego maniac that demands subjects kowtow, else it off to some silly lake of fire.
Because what we produce in our consciousness is eternally a part of us. It does nothing for God . . . its impact is entirely on us and our "state of mind." The misrepresentations and corrupt interpretations of God by our primitive ancestors in the OT do NOT reflect our loving God. Jesus Christ does. It is the mind of Christ that reveals the mind of God to us. It is the actions and example of Jesus Christ that reveals our God to us . . . NOT the primitive concepts of the OT produced under the veil of ignorance.
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Old 09-25-2010, 10:01 AM
 
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If God is analogous to water, ice and vapor then the Holy Ghost is vapor, Jesus is water and the Father and God of the O T is ice.
O T God deserves to have lost our love and it is no wonder that He was replaced by Jesus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fyJsXrRilM&feature=player_embedded
Or at least the Bible writers hoped that we would be forgiving enough to accept Jesus. I am not.
I do not mind Jesus so much even with his unworkable sayings as a Rabbi and fully human but if he is the O T God then I have a bullet with justice and his name written on it.
That is justice for any that would use genocide on man.
Not to be crude.
Regards
DL
Jesus isn't God in the OT. However he is in agreement with God. I can't help but wonder if you ever think deeply on the way things could have went, if in your opinion God is such a bad God.
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Old 09-25-2010, 10:27 AM
 
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Default Avasa , you said it well.

It is no supprize that satan would use God's word, to undermine if he could . Matthew 4;4, a good example .
if God wanted puppets , we wouldn't be having this discussion.
What is the first Law of the ten?
That's the whole point of creation.
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Old 09-25-2010, 10:31 AM
 
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The answer to your question can be summed up in one simple phrase: the Bible is self-contradictory. Don't expect it to make sense. It won't.
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Old 09-25-2010, 11:10 AM
 
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Man. Created for slavery in both heaven and hell.
God created man.
God then created the law’s that we are to follow, thus creating moral evil.
Isaiah 45;7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
He told Adam and Eve to obey His command to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil under penalty of death. When Adam and Eve disobeyed and reached out for this essential knowledge, the knowledge of higher education and morals, He imposed His threatened sentence not only on the guilty but also the innocent, all of mankind.
The offspring of man were sentenced to bear the iniquity of our first father, Adam, contradicting---

Ezekiel 18;20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
God is also condemning those who have not sinned. The completely innocent.
Roman 9;11 For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;
In other words, He commanded us to live without a moral sense and basically remain un-educated and as dumb as the lesser animals. You will know that most issues and topics of higher education all have values of good and evil thus we were restricted from engaging in their study.
We were ordered to stay dumb and be slaved to all of Gods commands.

God gives man free will and dominion on earth. The power to rule ourselves under our own choices.
If we do as ordered, and do not take dominion, we are offered heaven. A place where we must continue to do as ordered or we are banished to eternal torture in hell.
If we do not follow God’s commands and take his gift of dominion in any other way other than what is ordered by God, we are banished to everlasting torture in hell.
In other words, if in heaven we are slaves to God. If on earth or in hell, we are slaves to God. If we exercise our free choice we are condemned to be slaves in hell.
Where is this freedom that God gave man?
It seems that His given freedom says that we are only free to follow His commands.
That is slavery hidden under a false premise of His calling us free.

Is that freedom in your opinion or slavery ?
Is freedom in both heaven and hell the exactly same thing, follow God’s rules; except for the purposeless cruelty, torture and burning in hell?
Islam vs. Christianity.
The Koran, as opposed to the Bible, seems to be more honest and states up front that Allah wants men to be slaves. Is the God of the Bible hypocritical in lying and saying that man is free?
Does God want to keep us dumb and un-educated by withholding most higher knowledge?
Regards
DL
Let us take this from Square one.
In the begining there was only one rule...tend and keep the garden...and do not touch one plant or its fruits...and everything else was allowed to be eaten, and the life was free, and good, and eternal...there was no death.
And God gave that to Adam and Eve in the begining of Creation.

The rules or laws?...were for their benefit.

Now..because they did not listen...they chose to die, for they were forewarned of the outcome of their disobediance in doing what they did when they ate, touched, and defiled that plant of a one of a kind estate...killing its future by eating its offspring!...thus Adam and Eve created Death by making death of that plant...

Now God had to make a dimension where this plant would go..in death...and God sent Adam and Eve into that estate, to restore it back to life...

So in disobediance or because of their disobediance (sin) they created death...And God sent them into death, to repent, restore, and appologize.

Now the way in...has to have a way out of death by reversing what created it in the first place......But Adam and Eve did not listen...and they started to live in death, and bring more living into it with them...and accepting death as their rightful placement or natural dimise...devising all kinds of things which...in some circles they believe are intelligent...but if we look deeper, they are detramental to the enviroments in which we now live.

Now to reverse the curse of death...God has shown us with Jesus, that a sinless soul, sowing all seeds, and tending and keeping things in order and under good stewardship..(showing God's intent, through our love of those others (nieghbours) Livng with us, that we want life in peace with God) creates a kingship of Good will onto all living things which comply to God...
So putting back sinlessly, a plant of some debate today, makes perfect sense, in a opposite mindset...to undo what was done...by Adam and Eve...with out omitting or profaning any of the Givens God has Given (Genesis 1:11. 1:12, 1:29, *2:15*, 9:3) REV 17:17 is the final call when done completely sinlessly and with humble hearts and minds to God...by the one, or the many...or the few.

Now...this is not a slavery...if one choses to do what is morally righteous for th ebetterment of the human condition and to apease God!

Righteousness is next to holiness...for God made all things Good...Good is righteous for all living things..."tend and keep the Garden" protracts on Good stewardship .
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Now if we do not do (the will of God) which is Good...well the world Goes to destruction...as it is now doing for profits and gains in nothing important!
Intelligence is turning sour...and polluting the planet for dollars, and more profit off the suffering, sick, and poor, has clouded their minds with $$$$ signs....

You speak about slavery....what has money done to you?...it has made you a slave to pay taxes for them to live freely off your hand / work...breaking a commandment of God continually...which does nothing for you in terms of salvation, or being sinless...for sin is the disobediance of God.

You are a slave...You have to work...to pay to live....that is not freedom!...and what of the quality of life in that system?...is it healthy if you have to be inoculated and vacined at birth to live in it?

And we know you do not have to pay to live a simple life......Cause God said I give you everything....SO what is Given, is now being stollen from us all, because it is not shared...Like God Shares....it is sold for a high price..usinf a IDOL of ENGRAVEN IMAGES..made way too important for our lives.....and so you work, to get what God has Given freely....by choice?

No it is forced brainwashing!

Now you can try to make sense of this....why do people enslave themselves and burden the world, and all life, and pollute the whole chain of life...so that What was Given freely by God to all...they now pay for with an engraven Idol to pollute?

And how long this has been Going on for?

Intelligence is in the eye of the beholder...and from where God stands...this so called Intelligence is killing the human condition, and all life is now in Jeopardy under the atomic threat and constant warfare over their stupidities, and greed, and profiteering!!!

So...freedom and liberty ...is just another lie from the liars club!

Now Get it straight...God wants us to live healthy, happy and productive lives working for the greator good of all living things...keeping things simple..plain..uncomplicated...and the best estate for us...is in keeping with those Guidelines God layed out for us to follow...Like signs attract..make Earth like EDEN...so we fulfill all the words commandments, and covenants God asked of us....which makes a better world order for all living things God made Good....
Forgiveness is for all things...and so we should offer that to them by first showing we can do what God said...and then they can show us what they can do for God and us!

If we cannot share...at six billion plus people and increasing....and give...and care not only for the human estate, but the millions of billions of other living things that are now reliant on us...to do the right things for the right reasons...and tend and keep the planet according to God's desire...Then we are going to DIE a second death in death because of disobediance still going on today worse than yesterday!!.....Yes?

That is the truth God spoke...and the USA's false Burning Bush of 2001 spoke these words of wisdom???..."if you are not with us, you are against us" who are they????

And SO...If the word of God is not obeyed, and acted out...and we destroy our own habitation and pollute the waters, air and soils...so we have to pay more carbon taxes which do nothing to solve the problems money creates!!....then we deserve death as a constant reminder!
Cause what is the point in keeping "supposed intelligent people?" around, that want to destroy so many living things and this world for profits and bent Gains in nothing important....and they seem to want to do it, mindlessly and in denial of what they are doing, and what was foretold!...and the repercusions of their actions...
Calling it progress..and making more Jobs, to make more taxed hands so they can make more wars?...yah Intelligence they say...

Freedom is the myth...Jesus is the truth of God...and sinlessness, sowing seeds of every kind, without profaning anything (Acts 10:15 and doing Acts 3:21), and being good...are the keys to the Kingdom of heaven...but most importantly Doing what God says...always...is best suited for those who want to share in something grander than Death.

And thank God it is this way...so the others (sinners) cannot enter!...so those who say they are intelligent, are now destroying Planet Earth mindlessly !
So that shows a lack of intelligence, and their true intent...and why would God want to let this kind of entity into Eternity?
Truth is, He would not!
For God is Good..and God does Good, and God cares for all living things...and that place is for those who do what God asks...to the letter of the law!

Satan and his minions cannot be sinless in death or in life...and so they cannot enter LIFE Eternal, born through Christ...and the laws commandments, and covenants fulfilled...because of that IDOL of engraven images, You now think you need to live...in Death with constantly, yes constantly in sin!...and because you pay tax to support sin and evil...You are partners of it....and thus the sin is now part yours and theirs...and all who hold this idol...
Jesus says Sell it all, Give it to the poor,...THEN (and only then) Follow me.

What a wise God.

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Old 09-25-2010, 12:12 PM
 
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Because what we produce in our consciousness is eternally a part of us. It does nothing for God . . . its impact is entirely on us and our "state of mind." The misrepresentations and corrupt interpretations of God by our primitive ancestors in the OT do NOT reflect our loving God. Jesus Christ does. It is the mind of Christ that reveals the mind of God to us. It is the actions and example of Jesus Christ that reveals our God to us . . . NOT the primitive concepts of the OT produced under the veil of ignorance.
Oooooooo that says so much, but best keep it to myself but will say that is a really silly concept.
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