Is Abortion Acceptable For Rape Or Incest? (cross, about, against)

[kaykay]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

I'm asking for opinions. I know they differ. But I wanted to know where the folks on this forum draw the life line.

So where do you draw the line, Alpha?

[irishmom]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

I'm asking for opinions. I know they differ. But I wanted to know where the folks on this forum draw the life line.

The problem is there is two separate issues here...where does life begin as far as religion goes and when does an unborn child get government protection. So I will give my two cents on both (which is really 4 cents).

I truly believe that life begins with implantation (dang that medical background again ) because prior to that you can fertilize as many eggs as you want and they are nothing but cells with no possiblity to grow into a baby. Which is why I have no problem with stem cell research on unused embryos...because they are not life.

As far as the government....well let's think about it. If we decide that the fetus deserves protection at conception or earlier than it could survive outside the womb..then we would also be on the hook for medical services and other support of the mother in order to insure the pregnancy proceeds well (which yes we have WIC and medicaid, but with income limits this would have to apply universally to all unborn children and therefore their birth mothers) which would cost a fortune! Also again the age of viability is stated at 22 weeks right now but IMO it should be higher than that. Very rarely does a 22 week old ever survive (10%), and a little more frequently 24 week olds will survive (40-50%)but most of the time with profound disabilities. So should viability really mean viable with out extraordinary measures? I think that puts it around 27 or 28 weeks...again just an opinion, based on seeing many premature births and their outcomes. But honestly I don't think a fetus should get government protection until it's born at any age, because that's when citizenship occurs.

[GASunshine]

Alpha, to answer your question about "life line" which I'm going to interpret as "viability", I think it's 23 to 24 weeks, according to science. I don't want to digress from the OP. As for advocates, there are plenty.

[GASunshine]

Alpha - I shouldn't have said science. My personal opinion is when the fetus is viable outside of the womb, which is everchanging with medical science. Sorry about the confusion concerning my last post.

[Alpha8207]

No problem, GASunshine, I got the jest of what you were saying but I'm glad you answered a little more personally. As for me, I have to say that life is life. Pretty much conception for me. And, to stay OT and not stray too far, having said that I think the life created in any circumstance is as viable and has as much worth as if it were carried to term. In other words, let's say it's a circumstance of incest and the family hides the young girl's pregnancy and the child is delivered. Then, some time later, it's discovered that the child was a result of an incestuous rape. Well, I still think that child is worthy to be valued and loved. And so it goes with the fetus as well.

Wasn't it AAA that said he/she was the result of a rape? I saw a story on ABC News not too long ago (maybe 3-4 months) and this one lady on there has an entire help system built on this premise. She herself was a result of a rape, and she could have easily been aborted. Isn't that the folks who really could better speak truth into this issue?

I don't know, I'm just saying....

[stretch00]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

I'm asking for opinions. I know they differ. But I wanted to know where the folks on this forum draw the life line.

At birth, and not a moment before.

I support the right to an abortion for any reason whatsoever, up to the very moment of birth, using any type of procedure a doctor deems to be best in that circumstance.

Sure, there is live fetus involved, but that fetus is not yet self aware, so it can be aborted.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by stretch00

At birth, and not a moment before.

I support the right to an abortion for any reason whatsoever, up to the very moment of birth, using any type of procedure a doctor deems to be best in that circumstance.

Sure, there is live fetus involved, but that fetus is not yet self aware, so it can be aborted.

Another post from stretch that brings forth the Alpha post that demands some other text for the mandatory 10 characters......

WOW.

[stretch00]

Originally Posted by Alpha8207

Wasn't it AAA that said he/she was the result of a rape? I saw a story on ABC News not too long ago (maybe 3-4 months) and this one lady on there has an entire help system built on this premise. She herself was a result of a rape, and she could have easily been aborted. Isn't that the folks who really could better speak truth into this issue?

I don't know, I'm just saying....

No, I disagree. Simply because those are the circumtances of conception, that does not make that population any more informed or their opinions any more valid than the next person.

[kaykay]

Originally Posted by stretch00

At birth, and not a moment before.

I support the right to an abortion for any reason whatsoever, up to the very moment of birth, using any type of procedure a doctor deems to be best in that circumstance.

Sure, there is live fetus involved, but that fetus is not yet self aware, so it can be aborted.

Does it not bother you that there could pain involved for the fetus even if you accept that the fetus may not be "self aware," as you put it? Or do you just think the end justifies the means?

Does the baby suddenly become "self-aware" when he or she is delivered and breathes for the first time or when, stretch? What about several days after birth? Is it self-aware then? Where do you draw the line?

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by stretch00

No, I disagree. Simply because those are the circumtances of conception, that does not make that population any more informed or their opinions any more valid than the next person.

See last Alpha post for further discussion.