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If a student actually is gay, but trying to avoid sexual sin or the justifying of sexual sin, then it would be wrong to deny Communion. If a case like that happened, like a bishop denied someone in the gay celibate group "Courage", that would be rank discrimination and wrong. Simply having an orientation, or "disorder" as the Vatican somewhat awkwardly puts it (Although I agree to Church teaching I think the Vatican is at times tone-deaf to how things sound and sadly makes being a chaste homosexual sound almost as bleak as a gay activist would), does not make one in a state not right for Eucharist.
There is a tendency in this society to focus too much on sex. If the students had been supporters of euthanasia or eugenics or Ayn Rand it'd also make sense to deny them Communion.
The article doesn't say that the students were gay--only that they supported gay rights. Evidently, the bishop believes that thinking comes under his direct control. I happen to practice a different religion, but if I didn't, I certainly wouldn't accept him as my bishop.
The kids were in bad standing with the Church. That bishop's free to do it, as far as I know. And considering there's a million less public solutions to this the kids could have tried, it seems like they wanted attention more than anything.
The kids were in bad standing with the Church. That bishop's free to do it, as far as I know. And considering there's a million less public solutions to this the kids could have tried, it seems like they wanted attention more than anything.
The Bishop as well as the rest of them are only human, not holy in anyway, who are they to say what is right or wrong.
The kids were in bad standing with the Church. That bishop's free to do it, as far as I know. And considering there's a million less public solutions to this the kids could have tried, it seems like they wanted attention more than anything.
If a student actually is gay, but trying to avoid sexual sin or the justifying of sexual sin, then it would be wrong to deny Communion. If a case like that happened, like a bishop denied someone in the gay celibate group "Courage", that would be rank discrimination and wrong. Simply having an orientation, or "disorder" as the Vatican somewhat awkwardly puts it (Although I agree to Church teaching I think the Vatican is at times tone-deaf to how things sound and sadly makes being a chaste homosexual sound almost as bleak as a gay activist would), does not make one in a state not right for Eucharist.
There is a tendency in this society to focus too much on sex. If the students had been supporters of euthanasia or eugenics or Ayn Rand it'd also make sense to deny them Communion.
It's a good thing I'm not Catholic - I'd never get Communion!
I don't think he sees it that way, although I admit I'm a bit confused what he's about.
The only thing I've gathered is that he thinks most everything should be decided by the laity. I'm not sure if he even thinks there should be bishops at all, except as representatives of the laity. So I guess what should have happened here is if the bishop had concerns he should have asked for a vote of the congregation on whether the students could receive Communion. (Marcy prepare the secret ballots!)
Anyway other than all things being decided by the laity the other thing he seems to support is that the Catholicism that existed from the Lateran Councils to Pius XII was a false religion and that it is the duty of Catholics to struggle against it in favor of the "Restored Catholic Church of Vatican II." Those of us who see continuity or believe there should be continuity are therefore harmful to his vision of the faith. In addition people who converted to Catholicism before Vatican II, by converting to a false degraded form of Catholicism, are also suspect. Presumably the ethnic groups in Africa, Southeast Asia, etc who converted during the missionary period of Trent to Vatican I are also suspect as being too influenced by false-Catholicism. Although I might be overstating his views on that. Still I have tried to ask if there is anything in 12th to early-20th c. Catholicism he likes and the only thing I maybe got was nuns or probably the Catholic Worker Movement of Dorothy Day.
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The Bishop as well as the rest of them are only human, not holy in anyway, who are they to say what is right or wrong.
Who am I to say 1+1 is 2? Am I a math teacher? Well, my math teacher is human, expert or not, so am I silly to ask him? Who then? Shall I google wolfram mathworld? Oh, but wait, that's written by those silly humans! Then who can tell me?
You get my point, I hope. Bishops are theologians, too. They get the position for knowing what they're doing. Someone has to, or there would be no Church, or no math teachers. And then where would we be?
Who am I to say 1+1 is 2? Am I a math teacher? Well, my math teacher is human, expert or not, so am I silly to ask him? Who then? Shall I google wolfram mathworld? Oh, but wait, that's written by those silly humans! Then who can tell me?
You get my point, I hope. Bishops are theologians, too. They get the position for knowing what they're doing. Someone has to, or there would be no Church, or no math teachers. And then where would we be?
So what, it still doesn't mean that they, or you are better than anyone else walking the face of the earth. It just means that you were taught something in a school and your passing it on to others as how you see it. It's just a fancy name for a (JOB) that happens to come with a piece of paper that won't mean squat after your feeble minded or dead. The big question is, can they add that "Theologian" teaching to basic survival tactics if the world went into the crapper? (Probably Not)
sounds like the activists were just trying to get in the news and get attention, this is nothing new, this kind of thing is happening all over lately.
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