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Old 10-22-2010, 08:56 PM
 
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I've heard it put this way:

Science is the "HOW"
God is the "WHY"

Both are in the same equasion.
Excellent!

 
Old 10-22-2010, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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TKramar: All of the naturally occuring elements beyond hydrogen are created in stars. All of them heavier than iron are created in supernovae. Only certain combinations are stable isotopes. The unstable ones are radioactive and become something else.
 
Old 10-22-2010, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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TKramar: All of the naturally occuring elements beyond hydrogen are created in stars. All of them heavier than iron are created in supernovae. Only certain combinations are stable isotopes. The unstable ones are radioactive and become something else.
Exactly correct...We are all made of recycled star dust.

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Old 10-23-2010, 06:14 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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TKramar: All of the naturally occuring elements beyond hydrogen are created in stars. All of them heavier than iron are created in supernovae. Only certain combinations are stable isotopes. The unstable ones are radioactive and become something else.
That's fine...

But why does nature decide to create one element, instead of another, when the subatomic bonds form to create them? For example, you have one of the most common gases in our atmosphere, oxygen, with an atomic weight of 8. It has 8 protons and 8 electrons [we'll leave the neutrons out of this for now]. A little less common is fluorine, with 9 protons and 9 electrons. So why did some protons and electrons combine to form oxygen instead of flourine? Why isn't the most common gas in our atmosphere fluorine instead of oxygen?

After all, all elements are created out of the same subatomic particles--protons, neutrons, and electrons. If you had 144 of them just laying around, they could create 18 oxygen atoms (and really, it's more like 9 oxygen molecules...) or 16 fluorine atoms. So why one element in preference to the other?
 
Old 10-23-2010, 06:16 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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When parents start programming a kid at a very early age, the effects can last a lifetime, sadly
One could say the same about making your kids say the pledge of allegiance...
 
Old 10-23-2010, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Kent, Ohio
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That's fine...

But why does nature decide to create one element, instead of another, when the subatomic bonds form to create them? For example, you have one of the most common gases in our atmosphere, oxygen, with an atomic weight of 8. It has 8 protons and 8 electrons [we'll leave the neutrons out of this for now]. A little less common is fluorine, with 9 protons and 9 electrons. So why did some protons and electrons combine to form oxygen instead of flourine? Why isn't the most common gas in our atmosphere fluorine instead of oxygen?

After all, all elements are created out of the same subatomic particles--protons, neutrons, and electrons. If you had 144 of them just laying around, they could create 18 oxygen atoms (and really, it's more like 9 oxygen molecules...) or 16 fluorine atoms. So why one element in preference to the other?
The relative proportions of chemical elements are well-understood and explained by the principles of chemistry. Without going into details, the basic idea is that certain configurations are far more stable and/or easier to create, so they will tend to be more prevalent. As for oxygen in particular, there was very little free oxygen on the early earth. Plant life changed the composition of the earth's original atmosphere. Some have suggested that we can turn Venus into a more earth-like planet by introducing plant life to the atmosphere.
 
Old 10-23-2010, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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I see no compelling reason that I must do so.
Then that explains why there is a difference between those who want to get to the bottom of things, who are objective, who use science to gain factual information...people like us

and

people who who believe whatever their parents , churches, madrasahs, etc "taught" them...

"I believe what I believe that's it, no discussion, I won't listen."

 
Old 10-23-2010, 11:34 AM
 
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One could say the same about making your kids say the pledge of allegiance...
But the country though flawed, is real, unlike the programming of a megalomaniac god that ain't. Nor does it have the same power to completely screw with the kiddies heads and ability to reason.
 
Old 10-23-2010, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Reality is whatever one experiences.

However, brainwashing your kids to get good grades and obey the law...is still brainwashing. Talk about screwing with one's ability to reason...
 
Old 10-23-2010, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Reality is whatever one experiences.
Is an hallucination reality?

Is a delusion reality?

Both are experienced, but neither are real.
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