Is faith in fiction good faith? Miracles. (hell, myths, churches)
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Faith, as well intentioned as it may be, must be built on facts, not fiction--faith in fiction is a damnable false hope. Thomas A. Edison
The Abraham religions, Christianity, Islam etc., are based on revealed unproven so called truths, handed down through prophets and shaman. They are based on the literal belief of Hebrew and Jewish scriptures that the Jews and Hebrews never believed in in a literal way and were quite surprised when Christians and Muslims began to believe in these texts that were just a plagiarized version of even older beliefs from Egypt and Sumer.
I recognize the use of faith and hope, religion and church and promote it in my own way when not fighting literalists and fundamentals. I am after all a religionist.
I recognize the value of faith and hope, religion and church, in our societies. I have seen their good works. I do not like the way they teach of God though.
I do not like the churches or other venues that promote the belief in a God of fantasy and magic, retribution and hell.
We all seek to know God deeper and more fully. You cannot know him if you begin from a position in belief that all has been created with miracles. Miracles are by their nature unexplainable. You cannot build a philosophy or theology for good living from such a start. This is likely why the Vatican and other mainline religions now recognize the veracity of evolution. They accentuate that scriptures are not to be read literally and yet most have based their faith on literal reading of scripture.
Believers in fantasy and magic are not believing their leadership. They also will not believe science.
If literalists are not to have faith in the leadership of their own religions and are not to believe the scientific world, what, other than their own opinion, are they believing in?
Does this mean that they have all invented their own ideas of God and does this make them all idol worshipers? Or. Does it just make them Gnostics within their own religions?
I think it does.
Do you?
My basic question to believers then is, knowing that your beliefs and Word are fantasy, magic or miracle based, what belief exactly is it that keeps you in your religion?
Can your belief be maintained without your belief in miracles?
Lord Jesus Christ is Supernateral Being, who has the Authority through HIS Royal Throne over all life and requires Christians to believe in him and his ability to save then by his unseen Spirit, through the obedience of his purpose and commands..... If you do not believe in Jesus Supernatural ability than that is athism and worldly logic which is popular with civil libertarianism, and is a rejected faith before the true God, Lord Jesus is alive and wants to know you and have personal relationship with you and everybody if you will turn from sin and love him ....
There is no such thing as a miracle. Everything that happens has an explanation that does not originate from an imaginary deity. Thank you, drive through.
Lord Jesus Christ is Supernateral Being, who has the Authority through HIS Royal Throne over all life and requires Christians to believe in him and his ability to save then by his unseen Spirit, through the obedience of his purpose and commands..... If you do not believe in Jesus Supernatural ability than that is athism and worldly logic which is popular with civil libertarianism, and is a rejected faith before the true God, Lord Jesus is alive and wants to know you and have personal relationship with you and everybody if you will turn from sin and love him ....
Lord Jesus Christ is Supernateral Being, who has the Authority through HIS Royal Throne over all life and requires Christians to believe in him and his ability to save then by his unseen Spirit, through the obedience of his purpose and commands..... If you do not believe in Jesus Supernatural ability than that is athism and worldly logic which is popular with civil libertarianism, and is a rejected faith before the true God, Lord Jesus is alive and wants to know you and have personal relationship with you and everybody if you will turn from sin and love him ....
I and several billion others on this planet don't believe in your "lord" Jesus' supernatural abilities and are certainly not atheists. The origins of Jesus and your Bible are pretty obvious as being based on much older man made myths.
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Lord Jesus Christ is Supernateral Being, who has the Authority through HIS Royal Throne over all life and requires Christians to believe in him and his ability to save then by his unseen Spirit, through the obedience of his purpose and commands..... If you do not believe in Jesus Supernatural ability than that is athism and worldly logic which is popular with civil libertarianism, and is a rejected faith before the true God, Lord Jesus is alive and wants to know you and have personal relationship with you and everybody if you will turn from sin and love him ....
I don't want to be impolite but this sort of robotic, mindless and essentially uncredible preaching is only going to demonstrate that thinking is always better than gullible faith.
There is no such thing as a miracle. Everything that happens has an explanation that does not originate from an imaginary deity. Thank you, drive through.
I don't think a flippant dismissal says all that much. I could say, "There is no such thing as karma. Everything that happens has an explanation and that explanation does not originate from a cosmic balance-sheet. Thank you, drive through" and although I don't believe in karma a statement like that would mostly just be about saying "I'm better than you and I know it." Which is what much atheist rhetoric amounts to anyway so carry on I suppose.
Sometimes Christians do more to harm their credibility than unbelievers ever could.
There are good reasons why for hundreds of years, the clergy did not want their sheeple to read the Bible.
Too many questions without answers and the Church did not want to admit that the Bible was a consolidation of older faiths and just their best guess as to what God was all about.
I don't think a flippant dismissal says all that much. I could say, "There is no such thing as karma. Everything that happens has an explanation and that explanation does not originate from a cosmic balance-sheet. Thank you, drive through" and although I don't believe in karma a statement like that would mostly just be about saying "I'm better than you and I know it." Which is what much atheist rhetoric amounts to anyway so carry on I suppose.
Yet I see so many theists do the same with their positive statement that there is a God yet never come up with the proof of it. Usually followed by turn or burn.
Using a definitive statement without proof hurts everyone's reputation.
Christians started doing so way before non believers did.
Regards
DL
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