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Old 10-31-2007, 10:04 AM
 
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This would effectively disprove the existance of the human soul: or at least discredit those who claim they understand what a soul is. Those who were reanimated would have no recollection of events which transpired while they were frozen.
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Old 05-03-2009, 10:17 PM
 
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Lets say there is a heaven and a God and this person's soul or spirit goes to heaven.
Or, we could pretend we live in reality and leave all this God business out of science.
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Old 05-03-2009, 11:15 PM
 
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It is an interesting thought from a religious perspective but on a purely practical level I think these people are already dead and going through this elaborate and expensive procedure isn't going to bring them back at some future point. It's just a waste of money that could have been used for a better purpose.
Besides -- who would you bring back? Think about it..the sum of our mental existance -- who we are, what kind of foods we like, and so forth -- are merely stored electrical impulses. By shutting the 'power' off (dying), those electrical impulses are erased.

By 'restarting' the brain via cryogenics, you're only restarting the electrical signals -- the brain no longer contains the information it previously held, so we would be re-animating something with the biological equivallent of a blank hard disk.

At best, we'd have to give the person a new identity (since they likely wouldn't remember who they were) -- at worst, they'd be a bed-bound vegetable until (and unless) anyone retrained them.

Even then....would a re-animated brain even know how to breathe? Would it be able to interpret the signals it has to send to the heart to keep it beating, or the signals it normally gets from our sensory organs?
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Old 08-16-2009, 03:27 PM
 
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I would not like to give up the pardise that is heaven just so that some sleezy scientist can make a few bucks. Coming back to this planet would be like hell.
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Old 08-16-2009, 03:51 PM
 
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I realize cryogenics still hasn't figured out a way to fix someone's cells after they are cryogenically frozen (they are bust open from the ice crystals).

Lets say someone dies from a cancer quite young, say in their early 30's, and they have their entire body cryogenically frozen. Lets say there is a heaven and a God and this person's soul or spirit goes to heaven. Fastfoward and few centuries or even a thousand years and we're still on this planet or maybe even on another planet by then and science has found a way to not only cure this guy's cancer but to "reanimate" this person and bring him "back from the dead" and repair all of his cells that were bust open from the cryogenics. Does this person's soul come back from heaven and now into his body again, would he remember anything about heaven or God or would it be just blank from when he died?
An interesting question, to be sure.

Many traditions stipulate a certain period elapses before burial or cremation. Some ancient peoples laid their dead on platforms or in tombs before intering the bones.

Does the Spirit/Soul have to wait util the body decomposes before being reincarnated? Or what about the proverbial "silver cord" that ties the Spirit to the Body? If cryogetically frozen, would that cord dissolve as it's "supposed to", eliminating the final connection between Body and Spirit?

If the latter is the case, then said Spirit certainly shouldn't be able to reincarnate, or fully enjoy the after life either.
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Old 08-16-2009, 03:52 PM
 
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Besides -- who would you bring back? Think about it..the sum of our mental existance -- who we are, what kind of foods we like, and so forth -- are merely stored electrical impulses. By shutting the 'power' off (dying), those electrical impulses are erased.

By 'restarting' the brain via cryogenics, you're only restarting the electrical signals -- the brain no longer contains the information it previously held, so we would be re-animating something with the biological equivallent of a blank hard disk.

At best, we'd have to give the person a new identity (since they likely wouldn't remember who they were) -- at worst, they'd be a bed-bound vegetable until (and unless) anyone retrained them.

Even then....would a re-animated brain even know how to breathe? Would it be able to interpret the signals it has to send to the heart to keep it beating, or the signals it normally gets from our sensory organs?
Good point.

However, does the brain act as a hard drive, or a flash drive?

IOW, would the freezing process merely lock in te last activity present?
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Old 08-16-2009, 03:57 PM
 
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No thanks, I am going to heaven to be with the Lord..Besides why should I give up a glorious spiritual body for this ole worn out thing I am in now
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I would not like to give up the pardise that is heaven just so that some sleezy scientist can make a few bucks. Coming back to this planet would be like hell.
Please. You have no idea where you are going to go when you die. What if you die only to discover the reality that your "Lord" is a sham, and you are either in some limbo or in the "hell" of any of the 100,000 other gods you chose not to believe in?

You might decide that getting thawed out and brought back to this earthly existence is not so bad..
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Old 08-16-2009, 04:08 PM
 
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There's way too many hypotheticals to answer those questions.
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Old 08-16-2009, 06:13 PM
 
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Good point.

However, does the brain act as a hard drive, or a flash drive?

IOW, would the freezing process merely lock in te last activity present?

Given what we know about the brain, I'd say 'flash drive'. Freezing the brain wouldn't lock in any activity -- the electrical signals that make 'us' are simply eliminated, as the brain can't process them any more....
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Old 08-16-2009, 07:56 PM
 
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Given what we know about the brain, I'd say 'flash drive'. Freezing the brain wouldn't lock in any activity -- the electrical signals that make 'us' are simply eliminated, as the brain can't process them any more....
But what, sir, constitutes memory?

An electrical impulse bouncing about the same neurons over and over? Or a chemical signature resting within the brain?
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