Believers, Yes or No: Is it possible god doesn't exist? (verse, science)

[TKramar]

That assumes that either of us exists, which has yet to be proven.

Are you Descartes? Just because you think, it doesn't imply existence.

[Konraden]

Originally Posted by TKramar

That assumes that either of us exists, which has yet to be proven.

Are you Descartes? Just because you think, it doesn't imply existence.

In order to think, there needs to be an agent to produce the thoughts. Thoughts themselves are abstract constructs.

[TKramar]

Unless, of course, none of this is happening. How many excuses does man make to justify the idea that he does, indeed, exist?

[Konraden]

Originally Posted by TKramar

Unless, of course, none of this is happening. How many excuses does man make to justify the idea that he does, indeed, exist?

Again, A cannot both happen but not happen.

[TKramar]

I would say that it isn't happening.

But you draw whatever conclusion you care to--it won't affect me any.

[TKramar]

Originally Posted by Konraden

The claim isn't worthy of research to validate, so I would accept it on face value.

Something that actually affects the health of people? Much more important. The standards of evidence are appropriate the the claim being made.

It doesn't affect the health of "people". It only affects the health of those who believe, and affects those people positively. If you choose not to believe, it cannot have an affect on you, because of the power of the mind over one's health.

If you believe that you are sick, you will be sick. As for myself, I've never been sick, to my recollection. Because I don't think of myself as a sick person.

All of which is immaterial if I don't actually exist, which I can freely admit is possible.

[Konraden]

Originally Posted by TKramar

It doesn't affect the health of "people". It only affects the health of those who believe, and affects those people positively. If you choose not to believe, it cannot have an affect on you, because of the power of the mind over one's health.

And if one chose to believe--it still wouldn't have an effect greater than that of a placebo--which as discussed earlier, is of limited use. If the option was "go to the doctor to get that bullethole fixed" or "just have happy thoughts to have that bullet hole fixed," one is going to win out before you bleed to death.

If you believe that you are sick, you will be sick.

Citation Needed.

As for myself, I've never been sick, to my recollection. Because I don't think of myself as a sick person.

Personal experience is not empirical evidence.

All of which is immaterial if I don't actually exist, which I can freely admit is possible.

Enough with the solipsism.

[TKramar]

But personal experience IS relevant and valid. In fact, it is the only type of evidence that IS valid.

Just because you like Cajun food, doesn't mean everyone must.

As far as the citation goes, these studies are 30 years old--they didn't put them on the Internet. I READ about it. Some people still do that instead of searching for everything they need on the Internet.

Enough with the solipsim

If you want someone to prove that God exists, shouldn't we first prove that YOU do? If you understood solipsism, you would know that it assumes that I exist. I don't assume that to be true.

[Konraden]

Originally Posted by TKramar

But personal experience IS relevant and valid. In fact, it is the only type of evidence that IS valid.

Just because you like Cajun food, doesn't mean everyone must.

You fail to distinguish between subjective experience and objective reality. Why? Because you insist on solipsism.

I'm not asking about your subjective experience or preferences of Cajun food. Like Sex, we can have personal experiences with Cajun food. Also like sex, it can be studied separate personal experiences--objectively. We can find which ingredients determine "Cajun" food, the history of Cajun, Quantities of Cajun eaten per day, week, month, etc. We can objectively study Cajun food.

Can we objectively study God?

[TKramar]

Because ALL reality is subjective. Objective reality does NOT exist. I've never wavered from that stance.